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Q: Information on 2013 iMac FD issue / USB2-3 Issue and Driver Incompatibility issue

I've created this new thread to outline the THREE different issues currently being discussed in various threads here and elsewhere in the hope of clarifying a few things and cleaning the 'mess' up a little!

 

There are currently THREE specific and different issues that a Mac owner might have in relation to Audio problems.

 

Some Users may well have all three problems at the same time or a combination of any/all of them.

 

Issue #1 - If you own a 2013 iMac with a Fusion Drive fitted then you wil get audio dropouts, clicks and other audio issues.

 

To test, unplug all 3rd party interfaces and test with internal Audio only.  Most people report audio dropout and noise via internal Audio.

 

Status - Wating on a software fix from Apple.

 

Possible temporary workaround options -

 

1) Boot from an External HD, (Very effective with a high reported success rate) and wait until fix is issued by Apple.

2) Split the FD into separate SSD and Mech Drives... (Fairly effective... but not as good as the ext drive menthod it seems)  and wait for fix from Apple.

3) Contact Apple and ask for a non FD replacement iMac (when/if possible)

4) Wait for the Apple Fix

 

Issue #2 = If you use a USB2 device/interface/whatever and it is connected to a USB3 port then that device might have problems.

 

Note: This issue does not affect Firewire devices for obvious reasons...

 

Possible Workarounds - Note: Users have reported varying levels of success with these fixes depending on the USB2 device in question. and what else is connected to your Mac.

 

1) Use a USB2 powered hub. Connect device to powered hub and connect powered hub to USB3 port

 

2) Use a Thunderbolt hub. Conect device to TBolt hub and hub to TBolt port on Mac.

 

Status - Waiting on fixes from the makers of these USB2 devices to correct the problem where possible.

 

Issue #3 - Incompatible drivers/hardware with either 10.9 and/or 10.8. Affects mainly audio interfaces that use drivers to communicate with your Mac... but can also affect USB2 Midi interfaces and Audio interfaces those that are supposed to be 'class compliant' and therefore do not use drivers... Class compliant devices have been fixed in the past by firmware updates whenever possible, by the makers of the device. In some cases however, makers of certain USB2 devices have not been able to correct the issue and have released new versions of their hardware to reolve issue (which of course were not provided as free replacements for users with these probmatic devices!)

 

Workaround

 

Roll back to previous working OS X version whenever possible and wait for updated drivers from Maker of your device.

 

Status - Awaiting updated drivers from the Makers of the USB2 device.

 

As can be seen from the above list, it is possible that certain users who have a 2013 imac with an FD fitted and own a USB2 interface could be subject to all three issues... and you should be keenly aware of this fact. When Apple release a fix for Issue #1 you may still have problems relating to either/both Issue #2 and #3... depending on the USB2 device you own....

 

Important Note:

 

Please feel free to ask questions regarding these three issues and their descriptions but try not to clutter up the thread with other problems or posts regarding comments such as  "Why isn't Apple/Maker of device fixing this?"  or "I'll switch to "Name of other DAW" if this isnt fixed soon..."  as frankly no one here cares about such things as none of us work for Apple

 

Thanks!

Logic Pro X, OS X Mavericks (10.9), Motu UltraLite V3

Posted on Dec 12, 2013 2:59 PM

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  • by idfalk,

    idfalk idfalk Jan 3, 2014 11:08 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Jan 3, 2014 11:08 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Hmmm,

     

    Only getting bounces from that adress. Maybe I didnt get it right. theartofsound@mac.com?

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Jan 3, 2014 11:09 AM in response to idfalk
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    Jan 3, 2014 11:09 AM in response to idfalk

    Please see my previous post.. I gave you the older address by mistake...

  • by idfalk,

    idfalk idfalk Jan 3, 2014 11:10 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Jan 3, 2014 11:10 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Ah, there we go. Thanks.

  • by shnicshnac,

    shnicshnac shnicshnac Jan 4, 2014 6:17 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Jan 4, 2014 6:17 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Hi all togehter

     

    I am voice over talent and I do have this awful problem as well.

    I do have a late 2013 Core i7 27'' iMac, Mavericks 10.9.1, 3 TB FD, 32gb Ram connected via FW/TB adapter to my Apogee Duet FW and cant really work.

    Pretty sad after spending more than 3'000$!

     

    I just spoke to Apple Care and the guy was aware of the problem and pretty friendly.

    The shock was, that he couldnt give me a solution other than waiting for 10.9.2, which should solve the problem. But this could take weeks..

    He told me I could change to a HDD or SSD, but they wouldnt pay anything.

    Splitting the whole thing is not what I am looking for.

    When I asked him, if they at least could send me the Beta version of 10.9.2, as I dont want to get a developer and pay another 99$, he told me

    they cant do that, but with a quiet voice he told me, there are other possibilities to get to 10.9.2

     

    I just downloaded it now.. and will install it later today, after backuping the whole system.. you never know..

    Just wanted to ask if other people are interested in that file.

    I know its not the way to actually do it in a legal way, but come on Apple, people cant work, and on Monday the year really starts!

    What else should we do?

    Cheers

    shnicshnac

  • by ges8ges,

    ges8ges ges8ges Jan 4, 2014 8:29 AM in response to shnicshnac
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    Jan 4, 2014 8:29 AM in response to shnicshnac

    Very curious to hear how it goes and if it works... yes, I'd be interested.

  • by shnicshnac,

    shnicshnac shnicshnac Jan 5, 2014 2:37 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Jan 5, 2014 2:37 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    So, after testing sound on Adobe Audition, iTunes, VLC player, Divx Plus Player and Quicktime Player (7.6.6 and 10.3) I must say the problem is gone for 99%.

    In Audition I could record and edit without any problems.

    iTunes, VLC, DivX and QT 7.6.6 is perfect too.

    When I was playing back an mp3 or mp4 file on QT 10.3 I had little clicks, very little, but still not completely perfect. But maybe that has something to do with that QT version.. dont like that player anyway..

    So I defenetly can work like that.

    Only thing is: I didnt work longer than 30 minutes, so I dont know how it is for longer sessions, but I am positive.

    Hope that helps.

    If anyone wants that BETA of 10.9.2 just tell me.

    Cheers

    shnicshnac

  • by Robert Martin 1,

    Robert Martin 1 Robert Martin 1 Jan 5, 2014 4:55 AM in response to shnicshnac
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    Jan 5, 2014 4:55 AM in response to shnicshnac

    That sounds very encouraging. So, the FD and USB issues get solved. And e drivers sues are solved for now by companies issuing class-compliant software I can't wait!

     

    Bob

  • by shnicshnac,

    shnicshnac shnicshnac Jan 5, 2014 5:08 AM in response to Robert Martin 1
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    Jan 5, 2014 5:08 AM in response to Robert Martin 1

    I am not sure about the USB issue as I work with Apogee Duet Firewire..

  • by Robert Martin 1,

    Robert Martin 1 Robert Martin 1 Jan 5, 2014 5:11 AM in response to shnicshnac
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    Jan 5, 2014 5:11 AM in response to shnicshnac

    Sorry, should have read deeper...

     

    Bob

  • by dunkel ,

    dunkel dunkel Jan 7, 2014 8:47 AM in response to shnicshnac
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    Jan 7, 2014 8:47 AM in response to shnicshnac

    can you send me the beta 10.9.2?

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Jan 7, 2014 9:03 AM in response to dunkel
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    Jan 7, 2014 9:03 AM in response to dunkel

    I think it is worth noting here... that the sharing of the latest OS X beta in this manner, is against Apple policy.

     

    If anyone wants the latest OS X beta then the official and legal way is to join the Developer's program and obtain it that way.

     

    https://developer.apple.com/programs/

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Jan 7, 2014 9:49 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Jan 7, 2014 9:49 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Sorry, but any links to the beta will now be removed....

     

    Please follow my advice given in my previous post to legally obtain the latest OS X beta.....

  • by shnicshnac,

    shnicshnac shnicshnac Jan 7, 2014 10:04 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Jan 7, 2014 10:04 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    so I guess you are from Apple or at least an extended arm of them, as most of us anyway thought here..

    well, well.. I remember having read posts from you where you really try to tell us you have nothing to do with Apple.

     

    Look.. artsoundy: A lot of people are in really big troubles because of these issues.

    And if the BETA of 10.9.2 can help even only a couple of people than its alright when they can download it.
    I really dont think that after spending more than 2'500 bucks we should get developer and pay that company another 99 bucks.. even my Apple Care guy was with me.. "I didnt say Torrent.. you said it.."

    think about it, policeman..

    cheers

    shnicshnac

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Jan 7, 2014 10:21 AM in response to shnicshnac
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    Jan 7, 2014 10:21 AM in response to shnicshnac
    so I guess you are from Apple or at least an extended arm of them, as most of us anyway thought here..

     

     

    No.. you are completely wrong. I do not work for Apple in any sense at all.

     

    However, there are Apple moderators here who monitor and remove posts... that contain material that is either inappropriate or illegal, as your post with the link to the latest OS X beta was..... and there are Users here with appropriate levels... who can and do report such posts to the moderators.... to help keep this community running without issues.

     

    I was simply giving you a heads up.....

     

    So, in the future, please think/check first before you post such claims.... and not assume...

     

    Thanks...

     

    Nigel

  • by shnicshnac,

    shnicshnac shnicshnac Jan 7, 2014 10:28 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Jan 7, 2014 10:28 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    its obvious that you removed the link..

    and have a task for you:

     

    in another thread where you are also posting about this topic, there is still the link..

    Maybe you will find..

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