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Q: PPC G4 Tower dual 1.25 GHz:  Where to find the 9.22 OS install disks

There are some old discussions of this, but by starting a new thread perhaps a solution will be obtained.   I acquired two PPC G4 dual 1.25 GHz towers.   They do not NOT have FW800.  They have only FW400, thus OS 9.22 should install and work.  Do not want 9.22 working under OS X.  Just need pure 9.22.

 

Been working for about a month to apply 9.22 to these machines.  I've obtained 9.22 install disks from eight sources, such as FTP, Internet purchase, web download links, friends, local stores, etc.  Only two of the disks are acknowledged as bootable, and they do boot the machine to completion.  But upon starting the installation, proclaim that the install disk cannot be used with the machine.   What's the secret to installation ?

 

Does one install the OS 9.22 software on another G4, such as a DP or SP 800 mHz and transfer the drive to the 1.25DPs ?

 

Thank you.

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Posted on Dec 26, 2013 11:59 PM

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Q: PPC G4 Tower dual 1.25 GHz:  Where to find the 9.22 OS install disks

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  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Dec 27, 2013 9:15 AM in response to MacPcConsultant
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    Dec 27, 2013 9:15 AM in response to MacPcConsultant

    They have only FW400, thus OS 9.22 should install and work.

     

    Not so.

     

    Dual processor 1.25G MDDs of that era were not OS9 bootable. Only the single-processor 1.25 2003 with EMC 1914C. The C is important.

     

    Even if you find the SP 1.25, you must get its original gray disks to install OS9. Apple is out of them. The version on that disk is made exclusively for that model. Full retail install disks or system disks from another model will not install a bootable version even on the SP 1.25

     

    So you need to swap those DP machines for 1.25 SP versions that have the proper disks included.

     

    If you do get the right model and disks, a point to remember is that OS9 is not bootable from a volume that is more than about 195GB. Partitioning may be in order if you have a really big drive.

  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Dec 27, 2013 11:20 AM in response to MacPcConsultant
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    Dec 27, 2013 11:20 AM in response to MacPcConsultant

    A follow-up:

     

    As the Model numbers for late G4 MDDs that can boot OS9 and those that cannot are the same, I had a look at my OS9-bootable 1.25G SP for something else to help sort the types.

     

    In System Profiler, mine G4 shows this:

    G4MDD Dual Boot.png

    I think you may have to see the Boot ROM version to know for sure.

  • by MacPcConsultant,

    MacPcConsultant MacPcConsultant Dec 27, 2013 6:39 PM in response to Allan Jones
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    Dec 27, 2013 6:39 PM in response to Allan Jones

    Thank you.  Forgot that I've asked this before.  There's disagreement with your thoughts.  The 1.25 GHz Duals ARE bootable by 9.22 .

     

     

    SEE HERE:  https://discussions.apple.com/message/2211353#2211353

     

    AND:  https://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.25_dp_mdd .html

     

    ALSO:  https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-1757

  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Dec 28, 2013 7:13 AM in response to MacPcConsultant
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    Dec 28, 2013 7:13 AM in response to MacPcConsultant

    OK. Well, let me know how it works out for you.

  • by MacPcConsultant,

    MacPcConsultant MacPcConsultant Dec 29, 2013 3:31 PM in response to Allan Jones
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    Dec 29, 2013 3:31 PM in response to Allan Jones

    Do you think that they are correct, viz 9.22 can be installed and boot a 1.25 GHz DP PPC G4 without FW 800  ?

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Dec 29, 2013 5:49 PM in response to MacPcConsultant
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    Dec 29, 2013 5:49 PM in response to MacPcConsultant

    Several of those which had and could dual boot OS X and OS 9.2, required OS X to be installed and present, first and before OS 9 could be used as a secondary boot system. The firmware versions played a large role in this and likely there also were in-chip changes beyond firmware flashing on their logicboards.

     

    I spent some time several years ago trying to discover the problem someone out-of-country had in attempting to restore funcational OS 9.2 booting to a DP PowerMac of this vintage, and the answer came back to the actual need to have OS X (in system software package, part of the computer's included kit) installed first. And if the correct drivers were not loaded at the time, the later OS 9 system in the software kit, would not work. And the OS 9.2 could not be installed by itself.

     

    And the detailed facts of the matter were a hard-sell to those persons afar who did not choose to believe them. Finally they posted their question in these Discussions when their computers were fairly new. And I replied to the same questions in the forum. There was controversy even then as not all believed the facts.

     

    All that, yet you could put an OS 9.2.2 into one of these fringe machines if you did not use their install method. Even a 'classic 9' from an iBook G4 (mid-2005) 12" 1.33GHz software packet can be used to boot up an original OS9-only boot computer of an older vintage. The software would have to be extracted in OS X with a utility such as Pacifist, and the files modified very little, put on a USB drive, and dragged in. However some of the correct files for certain graphic cards or other items would be lacking unless you happened to have one of the last retail OS 9.2.2 full install discs that were not limited to specific versions of hardware. And even just these discs won't work on the PowerMac that requires OS X installed first, because OS X controls the installation. If you get past the need for the 'installer' then the actual system will work; or after the OSX prepared the original setup, it could be removed.

     

    To think I had one & gave it away with a vintage powermac

    and extras, to someone who had no clue why it was there.

     

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by MacPcConsultant,

    MacPcConsultant MacPcConsultant Dec 31, 2013 9:40 AM in response to K Shaffer
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    Dec 31, 2013 9:40 AM in response to K Shaffer

    So what do you recommend ?   Classic cannot be used.  The machine must be 9.22 bootable.

  • by Allan Eckert,

    Allan Eckert Allan Eckert Dec 31, 2013 9:44 AM in response to MacPcConsultant
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    Dec 31, 2013 9:44 AM in response to MacPcConsultant

    Get an older Mac that is capable of booting OS 9

     

    For a suggested place to start your search read http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/last-macs-to-bo ot-startup-macos-9.html

     

    Allan

  • by MacPcConsultant,

    MacPcConsultant MacPcConsultant Jan 2, 2014 12:48 AM in response to Allan Eckert
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    Jan 2, 2014 12:48 AM in response to Allan Eckert

    So "The short answer to your question is that the Power Macintosh G4/1.25 DP "Mirrored Drive Doors" is the fastest stock Mac capable of booting in MacOS 9."

     

    Now to find the proper installation disks.   My multiple OS 9.22 disks from different sources failed.

     

    Any clue to to find them ?