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I have a G4 Dual 450, which has been showing some issues.   

 

I took 2 pics of my screens with the errors...

 

I booted from the Hardware Diagnostics cd, and did the extended test.    Everything checked out fine.

 

I rebooted and tried to Repair Permissions, and it froze again

 

Attached are the pics with the error codes etc....

 

Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

 

BTW - I'm running 10.4.11

 

Thanks,

 

Richard

 

IMG_8949-1.jpg

IMG_8950-2.jpg


Power Mac G4 (Gigabit), Mac OS X (10.4.11)
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,870 points)

    Hello,

     

    Have you blown the dust out lately? Especially CPUs, Graphic card, & Power Supply?

     

    One way to test is to Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, Test for problem in Safe Mode...

     

    PS. Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive

     

    Reboot, test again.

     

    If it only does it in Regular Boot, then it could be some hardware problem like Video card, (Quartz is turned off in Safe Mode), or Airport, or some USB or Firewire device, or 3rd party add-on, Check System Preferences>Accounts (Users & Groups in later OSX versions)>Login Items window to see if it or something relevant is listed

     

    Check the System Preferences>Other Row, for 3rd party Pref Panes.

     

    Also look in these if they exist, some are invisible...

     

    /private/var/run/StartupItems

     

    /Library/StartupItems

     

    /System/Library/StartupItems

     

    /System/Library/LaunchDaemons

     

    /Library/LaunchDaemons

  • LEKOVISION Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi BDAqua,

     

    I did open it up and blow it out with a can of compressed air.   There was some dust in there, but was not as much as I expected.

     

    I did try booting up in Smart mode and once it did fully get into Smart Mode, that 2nd image that I posted showed up again, prompting me to forcebly shut down.

     

    I tried again, and I just got the blue screen of death.

     

    At that point i have given up.

     

    I did call Apple, and they informed me that they do not service or do any diagnostics on machines older than 5 years.   So my G4 PowerPC was purchased in 2004, it's 9 years old and they can't help me.

     

    Is there any software that I could use while my G4 is in Target Disk Mode, to try see if it'll work?   

     

    I guess the other option, would be to install a fresh clean version of 10.4.11 on a different hard drive, but i don't have any spare IDE drives. 

     

    Would I be able to install 10.4.11 on a flash USB stick or SD card, to see if that would work via the USB port?

     

    Could something like that be done?

     

    Thanks.

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,870 points)

    Is there any software that I could use while my G4 is in Target Disk Mode, to try see if it'll work?  

    In FWTDM, we could look at the system.log on the G4 & maybe glean some info.

     

    I guess the other option, would be to install a fresh clean version of 10.4.11 on a different hard drive, but i don't have any spare IDE drives.

    I have some spare IDE drives if you're close to Seattle.

     

    Would I be able to install 10.4.11 on a flash USB stick or SD card, to see if that would work via the USB port?

    Most PPC Macs cannot boot OSX from USB, does your G4 oot from the Insta;; Disc???

  • LEKOVISION Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    In FWTDM, we could look at the system.log on the G4 & maybe glean some info.

     

     

    Sorry, but I don't know what FWTDM means, as well as "glean". 

     

    Could you please elaborate.   I'm not as experienced at the majority here in these forums.

     

    Thank you.

     

    I'm in Toronto, so quite a ways away from Seattle, but I greatly appreciate the kind offer.   I'll find some here on craigslist or kijiji.

     

    I do have the Instal cd / dvd that came with 10.4, so i'll just find a new drive to try it on and cross my fingers.

     

    Thanks.

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,870 points)

    Sorry...

     

    How to use FireWire target disk mode...

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Disk_Mode

     

    glean...

     

    : to gather or collect (something) in a gradual way

    : to search (something) carefully

  • LEKOVISION Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Oh ok, yes I know what Target Disk Mode ie....just didn't catch the meaning behind the letters!  Lol.

     

    Thank you for the clarification though.

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,870 points)

    No problem, keep us posted please.

  • LEKOVISION Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, here's a long shot that I was thinking about, as a potential way of me helping to either fix or diagnose my G4.

     

    If i start up my G4 into Target Disk Mode.

     

    Then boot my Macbook Pro (currently running 10.8.3) from the 10.4 install DVD and connect it to the G4.

     

    Then, run the Disk Utility on the G4's main hard drive.

     

    I'd do this, to repair permissions etc.   The reason - Is when i was on the phone with Apple, they said that if you ever do Disk Utility in TDM, that it should be on the same OS, as it might repair permissions incorrectly, as per the newer OS onto the older one...which will in some cases cause the compter in TDM to not start up anymore.  (basically screw it up).

     

    So, i was just curious if anyone has tried this before, and if this would be successful or not.

     

    Also, I have TechTool Pro 6 on my MBP...could i do any diagnostics on the G4 (when in TDM)?    Would this method of trying to decipher the issues on the G4 work, using my MBP?

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,870 points)

    Then boot my Macbook Pro (currently running 10.8.3) from the 10.4 install DVD and connect it to the G4.

    Hmmm, does the MBP boot from that 10.4 Install Disc?

  • LEKOVISION Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It didn't.   

     

    So with my G4 in TDM, last night i backed up all the files i needed on that hard drive and erased it, then checked for defragmentation and there was none, so i then proceeded to install Tiger with a fresh install.

     

    This is what happened during the instal...G4 Tiger Install Freeze copy.jpg

    It completely froze and i had to force a power down.

     

    I'm trying another install again today and this is where i'm at now, and it froze again...

     

    G4 Tiger Install Freeze-2 copy.jpg

    It's stuck on the 10% and when i actually moved my cursor and clicked on the 'skip' button, the beach ball started and hasn't stopped now for at least 5 mins with it rotating.

     

    I think i'll have to do another force shut down.

     

    Any suggestions?   (other than pulling my hair out).

  • LEKOVISION Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I just performed the Hardware Test (It's version 1.2.5.) both the quick and extended tests.   Everything passed both times.

     

     

    Quick  Test Results:

    G4 Hardware Test Result - Quick copy.jpeg

     

    Extended Test Results:

    G4 Hardware Test Result - Long copy.jpg

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,870 points)

    AHT doesn't do extensive RAM test or especially Hard Drive test.

     

    Are you installing this from the G4, or the Intel Book?

     

    If from the G4, might try this...

     

      1. Insert the Mac OS X10.4 Install disc, then restart the computer while holding the C key.

       2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)

          *Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*

       3. Click the Erase tab.

       4. Click the disclosure triangle to the left of the hard drive icon to display the names of your hard disk volumes and partitions.

       5. Select your Mac OS X volume.

       6. Highlight the drive, select Partition Tab, then Format type... MacOS Extended Journalled, select the Security Options button, choose Zero Out Data, Erase... after completion do a new install.

  • LEKOVISION Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok thanks for the helpful suggestions BDAqua.

     

    I followed your proceedures to a 'T', and this is what happened just after about 10 seconds of it starting to erase...

     

    G4 Erase & Install Freeze copy.jpg

     

    I had to do a force shut down again.

     

    Any other suggestions?

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,870 points)

    Hmmm, tough to tell, but booted from the Install Disc & useing Disk Utility, can you get it to run a lot longer han 10 Minutes say Verifying the other drives and/or Repairing Permissions on the other drives?

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