Thanks Jan for your kind-to-reply and bonus focus. upon my IIci dilemma.
I went out to define a test-and-implement scenario, with my 3.5" Test Tools Disk in hand, and,... oops.
Eaten temporarily during a failing startup which no longer puts a flash onto the screen at all.
That does tell me the available power is now less. I will try sebveral other setups with power to the monitor not coming so briefkly beforehand, from the back side of the Mac.
I'll get my handiest of tools, the paperclip, on that Disk Recovery recovery asap.
The current state of the system, does not make it to the held-down-key read which directs startup to the disk drive.
The "turnoff", so very much quicker now than last tested, suggess further reduction of any startup "juice".
The system has an external CD drive, however, I expect the internal to get to a certain point before committing to it or to be redirected, and I do not think it gets that far.
It used to, geetting a flash on the screen.
An associate at the local Mt Diablo MUG has some ideas to convey tomorrow. The group is veteran robust so I am certain that eliminating possibilitites and finding some way to pull data or induce startup (a sort of virtual jumper cable) will allow a startp source redirection..
Have you heard of power source problem tests or replacement/rebuild sources, and what may typically have gfone awry?
Any switches or a different set of startup keys to send the software startup in a dfferent vector?
How'bout a hard switch so the current power ssource failure can be averted?
So...I am also thinking of re-charging and re-changing the internal battery, but not having been the one who put the new one just a year ago, I will need to be enlightened and/or to research its locale which I missed last time. I could not find an=y service manuals showing it. Sites with online manuals at that depth.
Also, can you suggest tests besides startup, which would test the power source within?
You may well be correct in that the battery issue coincided rather than precluded the current symptom.
How often the Apple II-family power source died. Any reputable sources for original replacements and/or current-tech fill-ins?
It is difficult to find many who work on boards and their components today.
I was lucky when living in Portland OR to find such a shop just south in Tigard.
Perhaps I will give them a call.... They saw this particular box approximately 8-9 yewars ago.
I really am intrigued with the ability to start the internal code "inside the box" from or on another system "outside" of the box. Pulling data off "in the dark" of guessing where it all is means knowing its whereaabouts, as well as knowing if that has any methods mappable to this very accessible inner system.
Just as we can start a box from different "memories" of its startup criteria (OS),
I would hope we can access that internal drive's memory froma startup off its system.
Not sure how.
The similarity and crossover of my IIci's OS possibilities and my G3 PowerMac (the beige one that had install drive sizes killing Mac OS X 10.1 installs (and perhaps USB issues) haunts that system as my "also"-bringback project.
The MC3501 I ordered and recently sent back was missing keys and its internal connector wires were bent. The Zip drive for backing out data beforehand was not being recognized by my internal Orangelink Internal Firewaire-USB Card... so, I may now approach thes two system solutions as maybe residing within each others set of hardware, software, and first aid acts. After all, their OS relases are not as distinct as the actual switch from 680x0-to-Gx PPC chipsets. Amazon shows suppliers but many are short of truthful descriptions about
the set of hardware, software, pin count/positioning, documentation, condition, driver/install disk depenndencies, etc. I have disks going back through SSI games. I know this may take time but I am trying to recover my sold life timemback from all those 60-hr weeks at Tek, Intel, etc. It's worth it and fun. A will... a way, eh?
thanks again Jan and sorry for my late-night ramble w/its off-topics, but we are people, after all, not binary signals. ;-)
best wishes,chris
post-note:
My recollection is that near-the-end 7.x system release were co-marketed as the "MacOS 7.x" OS, and I would imagine, partly because they overlapped from 680x0 to Gx RISC runnable. That said, maybe I can find more tools for recovery iin the tools availed for that crossover period?
Of course, it could have scared off developers, unless the compile twaeks were minimal/minimized.
I just need, on both systems, to rescue data and all my pref/user setting files. I have or camn reacquire almost all applications.
So, the IIci system's startup requireneeds may require a hardwaire redirection /replacement (although I'd prefer spending coin on devices usable "beyond" just the IIci., and ... the PowerMac needs are software.
The latter has five (5) System Folders with three appeasring to be "blessed" I finally moved in an Extensions Manager from another rendition which did not say that a 9.2.2 release came before an 8.5 one, and thus, allowed it to operate. Sadly, turning off all extensions and control panels made no difference and the second icon appearance during startup locks up as usual with the empty dialog box overwriting the OS9.0 headeing.
Strange that the past lost to all the school and jobs back then is still captive and out of reach.
Who knows... some flight of imagination can easily amuse me a shared solution?
That would be quite nice.
So, thanks again Jan. Comment on which ever (or both) you wish. These older Macs, like older Porsches, are so much more connectable as people-people affairs than today, and I am so very smiling at being able to find sharing that has transcended what SMB-NFS-AFP has not. ;-)
That was a reference to athird "situation"" of communicating amongst an XP, Ubuntu, two 10.6.8s, the IIci, the PowerMac, and peripherals made by Canon, Epson, HP, Lexmark, Talk about a noisy silence? More fun.
Sorry if this was 'all over the place", but I shift sub-projects to maintain sanity.... and am uncertain as to whether it has worked at all.
best,
chris.
