BigFeynmanFan

Q: Why should anyone upgrade to Mavericks when 30% of the user feedback on the download site describes horrific results and rates Mavericks 1 out of 5???

I would really like to upgrade my MBP from 10.6 to Mavericks and was just about to download when I reveiwed the recent user feedback on the download site.

Mavericks was released on Oct 22 2013. I am wrting this on Jan 9 2014 and of the 735 reviews for the current version on the download site 219 or 30% describe horric results and rate this OS at 1 out of 5.

 

So I would like to hear from Apple - Why should anyone upgrade to Mavericks when there's a 30% chance of disaster !!!

 

I would have asked this question on the download site but users must first install before being allowed to post a review !!!

 

Have Apple provided any expalantion as to why so many users are having problems upgrading? or even provided a checklist of precautions to minimize the chance of such problems?

 

I am hoping this community can provide some useful information even if Apple is silent on this matter.

 

Optimistically,

 

BigFeynmanFan

MacBook Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9.1)

Posted on Jan 9, 2014 5:42 PM

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  • by chilli_Trav,

    chilli_Trav chilli_Trav Mar 27, 2014 5:25 PM in response to petermac87
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    Mar 27, 2014 5:25 PM in response to petermac87

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Stay with the old OS you are using. Mavericks is working well for the many million using it. Seems like you have no intentions of being one of those users, so for everyone's sake, stay with what you have at present.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

     

    Clearly you have misinterpreted the things rather drastically regarding my intentions. So, maybe I should simplify for you a bit....

    1. Me like idea of new OS.

    2. Me don't like bright icons.

    3. Can icons really be PERMANENTLY (FYI: that means "for real real long time") changed as easily as: get info --> paste image?

    4. Can me change default system icons kinda easy?

     

    And, how does someone's personal preference (voiced on a forum or otherwise) create enough of a brisance for "everyone's sake" to be a concern as pertaining to updates? I'm sure that an OS update by a reprobate like me is going to to offend your good sensibilities from across great distances.

    Moreover, if you're response is meager sibilation, and as useless as a fecal-flavored lollipop, MAYBE you take a moment to consider it might not be worth the time?

    but d'ems just ideas.

     

    So, perhaps phrased in what is less than the apparently offensive mannrer of my original post for others out there: "is changing icons really all that easy in mavericks?"

  • by Barney-15E,

    Barney-15E Barney-15E Mar 27, 2014 5:37 PM in response to chilli_Trav
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    Mar 27, 2014 5:37 PM in response to chilli_Trav

    So, perhaps phrased in what is less than the apparently offensive mannrer of my original post for others out there: "is changing icons really all that easy in mavericks?"

    I've never had a problem changing any file or app icon on any version of OS X. I don't change system icons, so i can't comment on that. If you can elevate your privilges, then you should be able to change those.

    As they are part of the file/app, if you replace the file/app (ie update), the icon will go with it.

    And yes, I can paste an image into Get Info icon well and change the icon image.

    Screen Shot 2014-03-27 at 7.36.38 PM.png

    I dragged that image straight out of Safari.

  • by chilli_Trav,

    chilli_Trav chilli_Trav Mar 27, 2014 8:29 PM in response to Barney-15E
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    Mar 27, 2014 8:29 PM in response to Barney-15E

    Barney-15E wrote:

     

    [...] "is changing icons really all that easy in mavericks?"

    [1.] I've never had a problem changing any file or app icon on any version of OS X.

    [2.] I don't change system icons, so i can't comment on that. If you can elevate your privilges, then you should be able to change those.

    [3.] As they are part of the file/app, if you replace the file/app (ie update), the icon will go with it.

    [4.] And yes, I can paste an image into Get Info icon well and change the icon image.

    [removed pic]

    I dragged that image straight out of Safari.

    1. Nice to hear that the trend continues with Mavericks, then. Some apps have seemed to be easy and others (e.g. iCal) have reverted to original until I replaced the resource *.icns. Of course, given your experience being positive, I'm never willing to rule out the null hypothesis that my negative results are due to me being an idiot.

    2&3. Yep.

    4. I've had some troubles on Lion, and then Mountain Lion, with icons switiching back to default without updating, like after restart or sleep/wake (though particular examples escape me because it's been a while). Again, refer to H0 above as a possibility. Sounds like your general experience is that Mavericks has provided no more troubles than previous OS X versions. Nice! To that end, I'll assume, unless I hear differently from you, that icons like Angry birds don't have any troubles reverting except when updating.

     

    Thanks Barney! The info is much appreciated! Sounds like the rumors I've previously heard about aesthetic difficulties are likely exaggerated.

     

    If updating in the near future, I'll be sure to post any additional useful info regarding system files for anyone curious.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Mar 27, 2014 8:49 PM in response to chilli_Trav
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    Mar 27, 2014 8:49 PM in response to chilli_Trav

    chilli_Trav wrote

     

     

    1. Me like idea of new OS.

     

        Yes so to millions

     

    2. Me don't like bright icons.

     

        That is a personal choice You can always use pastal colours.

     

    3. Can icons really be PERMANENTLY (FYI: that means "for real real long time") changed as easily as: get info --> paste image?

     

        Yes

     

    4. Can me change default system icons kinda easy?

     

        Not easy, but there are many third party Apps that will do this. Be warned though yhat     they often do not play nicely with the OSX.

     

     

    We all have different preferences and wishlists of features we would like to see, but we are buying a product from Apple, so we use what they see fit to include in the system they sell worldwide, as with Windows.

     

    Anyway

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • by Barney-15E,

    Barney-15E Barney-15E Mar 28, 2014 4:13 AM in response to chilli_Trav
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    Mar 28, 2014 4:13 AM in response to chilli_Trav

    Thanks Barney! The info is much appreciated! Sounds like the rumors I've previously heard about aesthetic difficulties are likely exaggerated.

    Early on I remember lots of complaints about not being able to change the Dock. The old ways do not work. I don't know if anybody has found a way (again, nothing I care to do).

    The CandyBar folks gave up on the whole idea with a final update for Mountain Lion. http://www.panic.com/blog/candybar-mountain-lion-and-beyond/

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Mar 28, 2014 4:20 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Mar 28, 2014 4:20 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    MlchaelLAX wrote:


    Clearly, the knowledge that Rosetta was not longer included with Lion would not have changed my situation one iota!  I would have still had to purchase that 2011 Mac.

     

    You could have chosen a slightly earlier machine and stayed on SL, unless there was some compelling reason to have the newer model.

     

    Not that I approve of going in reverse (but you know that already)

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Mar 28, 2014 9:07 AM in response to Csound1
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    Mar 28, 2014 9:07 AM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    MlchaelLAX wrote:


    Clearly, the knowledge that Rosetta was not longer included with Lion would not have changed my situation one iota!  I would have still had to purchase that 2011 Mac.

     

    You could have chosen a slightly earlier machine and stayed on SL, unless there was some compelling reason to have the newer model.

     

    Not that I approve of going in reverse (but you know that already)

    You waited two weeks to give me advice that you, yourself would not follow!?!  And other than borrowing Mr. Peabody's WABAC machine and going back in time to instead purchase "a slightly earlier (older, maybe?) machine..." I am not sure what's the point of your post!?! 

     

    It seems that you do not follow this issue very closely, but newfoundglory describes how to install Snow Leopard on the 2011 Mac Mini in this thread,

     

    Can I install Snow Leopard on the new Mac Mini

     

    But, as always, thank you for the advice that you would not follow yourself!

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Mar 28, 2014 9:14 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Mar 28, 2014 9:14 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    You're right, it would not be my way but I am genuinely curious why you chose to, was there a compelling software or hardware reason that made a 2011 the better choice. I also bought a 2011 but had no ties to earlier software so it was simple for me.

     

    Oh, I only just noticed the post, a notification took me back to the thread.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Mar 28, 2014 9:27 AM in response to Csound1
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    Mar 28, 2014 9:27 AM in response to Csound1

    My iMac G5 had died for what I considered to be the "last" time.

     

    I personally believe in always purchasing the most powerful Mac that I can afford at that time, as I tend to keep them for longer than the average user.

     

    Following that philosophy, I looked forward to:

     

    •  a faster CPU (and an Intel one, too)

     

    •  More RAM

     

    •  More HD space

     

    •  An introduction into OS X Lion

     

    AND the Mac Mini had just been refreshed,

     

    ALL for one low price!

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Mar 28, 2014 9:36 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Mar 28, 2014 9:36 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Same here, I like to get a long lifespan from the hardware. Buying the most powerful helps with that.

  • by Network 23,

    Network 23 Network 23 Mar 28, 2014 11:10 AM in response to Csound1
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    Mar 28, 2014 11:10 AM in response to Csound1

    I have never regretted buying just below the top of the line. The most powerful Mac at any time tends to be the one with the least and very incremental step up for the most profit margin (also true with cars etc). The one below the top of the line tends to be the best value in the long run, at least for me.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Mar 28, 2014 11:12 AM in response to Network 23
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    Mar 28, 2014 11:12 AM in response to Network 23

    I never suggested that I purchase "the top of the line."

     

    I always purchase the most powerful Mac that I can afford...

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Mar 28, 2014 11:20 AM in response to Network 23
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    Mar 28, 2014 11:20 AM in response to Network 23

    I'm a half and half

     

    I buy the top of the line but with the least Ram and smallest HDD, then I put what I want in it. But I keep them for as long as I can (my G3 still lives, but has become more of an ornament lately)

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Mar 28, 2014 11:28 AM in response to Csound1
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    Mar 28, 2014 11:28 AM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    (my G3 still lives, but has become more of an ornament lately)

    Yes: My Powerbook 1400c with the G3 add-on board and ethernet card is mothballed in case I need access to floppy or Zip drives (most of which I have already transferred to other media)...

     

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    I buy the top of the line but with the least Ram and smallest HDD, then I put what I want in it.

    Really?  I would think that is an inefficient choice, as you pay for RAM and an HD that you do not use (unless you can use it on another Mac). 

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Mar 28, 2014 11:33 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Mar 28, 2014 11:33 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    The Ram generally is abandoned (but not always) I pop the drives into OWC cases and they join the crowd of externals.

     

    The difference in price between buying the maximum Ram and largest/fastest drive from Apple and OWC more than covers the effort, for me at least.

     

    But not with an iMac, too much of a PITA to take apart.

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