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Tracy Reynolds Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)

I just upgraded from 10.6.8 to Mavericks.  Everything is bass-ackwards.  When I scroll I expect to move the scroll bar, not the whole page.  Whose bright idea was this.  How do I fix it so my computer works like it has for 10 years?


Mac mini, OS X Mavericks (10.9.1), 300 GB, 250 GB, 160 GB firewire external HDs
  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,760 points)

    System Preferences > Trackpad > Scroll and Zoom > Tick Scroll direction - Natural

     

    For a mouse, there are probably similar settings. I don't have one connected at the moment.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • Tracy Reynolds Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)

    Everything was perfect with 10.6.8 before I upgraded to Mavericks.  Mavericks has F'ed up so much of what I do with this Home Theater mini I'm rolling it back to 10.6.8.

  • ryder553 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Click the left most icon on the top bar:

    System Preferences --> Trackpad --> Scroll & Zoom --> Scroll Direction

  • Tracy Reynolds Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)

    But, it was working right before upgrading to Mavericks.  Mavericks is backwards.

  • Network 23 Level 6 Level 6 (11,870 points)

    Apple has done the right things. Perhaps some history will help to explain this.

     

    The old scroll behavior was based on the scroll behavior of a mouse wheel. You turn the top of the mouse wheel in the direction you want the document to go.

     

    Seven years ago, Apple introduced the iPhone. This is important because it trained people to scroll pages the natural way, like in the real world. You directly push the object in the direction you want it (the page) to go, not the user interface device (scroll wheel).

     

    Apple realized there was now an inconsistency between the real world (direct manipulation) and the way that scrolling had worked for years since scroll wheel mice were invented for Windows and then used on Macs. Apple decided that the inconsistency should be resolved in favor of the real world, as the iPhone had done. You push the thing you want to move. Direct manipulation.

     

    This is why the new default behavior of scrolling is called natural. Because it really is natural.

     

    I realize it is "backwards" to what you are used to, but I hope the above shows that in reality, the "traditional" way of scrolling was actually backwards and in contradiction to how direct manipulation should work. The old way was wrong. Apple has fixed it, and we have gesture UIs introduced by the iPhone to thank for this worthwhile correction.

     

    It will be a pain in the rear for a while, but stick to the new setting and you'll soon be as used to it as you were to the old, backwards way.

  • ~Bee Level 7 Level 7 (31,120 points)

    If you're using a mouse, go to System Prefs > Mouse > Scroll Direction.

  • Tracy Reynolds Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)

    I know how to fix it.  When I scroll, I move the scroll bar, not the text.  That's the way my six previous Macs worked, and i still use three of them.  I'm using a trackpad on this one btw.  And since other major things in Mavericks have greatly disappointed me, I'm rolling this mini back to Snow Leopard.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,760 points)

    What you consider backwards is normal for many and I am so glad that Apple finally saw fit to make scroll direction correct for me. In the last few OSXs I have always had to go and change it.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • Barney-15E Level 8 Level 8 (40,740 points)

    Tracy Reynolds wrote:

     

    I know how to fix it.  When I scroll, I move the scroll bar

    Like a Mouse, I haven't had a need for a scroll bar in 2 years. Well, except when I have to use Windows at work.

  • Tracy Reynolds Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)

    Many things I look at, on the internet, Finder, iTunes, etc., are larger than will display all at once so I need to scroll down the "page" to see everything.  For nearly 20 years I have done this by dragging the scroll bar, not by moving the text.  20 year old habits are hard to break.

  • Network 23 Level 6 Level 6 (11,870 points)

    Yes, old habits are hard to break. It took me a while to adjust. But, to help explain what is going on and why it is such a great thing, scroll bars are disappearing in general because there is less and less need for them. New desktop Macs that come with a pointing device come with a Magic Mouse or Magic Trackpad. New laptop Macs have a trackpad built in. That means all of these Macs can easily scroll windows with a simple two-finger swipe. This is more efficient because you don't have to haul the cursor all the way to the edge of the screen just to scroll, and then haul it all the way back to where it needs to interact with the page, over and over again. Instead, you can leave the pointer where it is and just swipe to scroll.

     

    Even before the trackpad came along, my scroll bar use was going down because I made heavy use of my Page Up, Page Down, Home, and End keys (even on my Mac laptop where these are Fn+arrow keys), and one day I discovered that in web browsers and PDF readers, the spacebar scrolls down and Shift-spacebar scrolls up.

     

    In the end I kept finding that having to make repeated round trips to the scroll bars with the mouse was the least efficient way to get around.

  • Tracy Reynolds Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)

    OK, I don't physically grab the scroll bar.  Depending on the computer (currently three) I'm on I spin the scroll wheel on my mouse or I swipe my magic mouse or I swipe my trackpad in the direction I want the scroll to go.

     

    Scroll bars are disappearing?  This page in Safari has a scroll bar.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,760 points)

    Tick one box ONCE. That is all but you refuse to do it on principal so I really don't know what else you expect us to tell you, so you would be better ringing Apple and having it out with them.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • Tracy Reynolds Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)

    So it's normal to take a perfectly set up and functioning computer, upgrade the OS and have to tick this box and tick that box and whatever to restore the functions you had before the upgrade?

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