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New 27 iMAC keeps crashing iMovie and freezing videos on YouTube & Quicktime

We just got a new Sept 2013 iMac three days ago, purchased refurbished from the Apple Store online. The whole point of the purchase was to be able to use iMovie to thoroughly edit videos for our YouTube channel, use garage band, lots of internet surfing and video watching etc. We spent the extra dollars to get what we thought was the most improved version of the iMac with all the souped up specs in order to avoid any hassle and headaches from a lack of performance. Here's what we have:


3.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i7

27-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology; 2560-by-1440 resolution

8GB (two 4GB) of 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM

1TB hard drive (We have only used 80 GBs of it so far, so plenty of space left)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 775M graphics processor with 2GB of GDDR5 memory

720p Camera & Mic

OS X 10.9


We're feeling a bit duped now as this seems to have turned out to just be a big expensive piece of junk. Here are our problems:


- Firstly, thank goodness that we had our own Logitech HD camera/mic left over from our PC because the "HD camera" built in to the iMac is worse in quality than my old blackberry curve. Grainy, lack luster, mic has sharp and distant sound, really really bad and false advertisement.


- In the middle of using iMovie (iMac came preinstalled with the newest one, i think its 10?), it will stop responding properly or will crash and close, we wont even have any other programs running.


- When opening Quicktime to record a new video, in the middle of a recording or while the recording window is idle, it will start glitching - flashing between live footage and a freeze frame repeatedly. The only way to stop it is to quit out Quicktime and open again and try to record quickly, or in some cases we have to completely restart the iMac, which then still randomly in the middle of a recording or idle window it will continue to flash and glitch. (You can view an example here in the last minute of one of our videos, we tried to make it work and kept the take since we were doing our outro music dance, but it totally ***** when this happens randomly during our content portion and we have to redo recording. http://youtu.be/MAJzaEShJGw?t=4m34s )


- When watching YouTube videos, the computer takes a while to respond to a command, like if we click on a certain part of the video, it will not load it until we press the pause/play button a few times and wait. Also at the beginning of a video it will start glitching and freezing again, similar to how we explained above in the quicktime, but faster.

If you are familiar with what could be the problem or have any advice, PLEASE HELP, we are concerned that after dropping so much money within just 3 days of use, this iMac is not performing flawlessly in the areas that we most needed and want to know if these issues are common and fixable or if its a defect that would require we send this thing back immediately. We did not get apple care and would hate to have wasted money that we really dont have on a glitchy crashing huge piece of junk.


Want to mention a few other pros and cons unrelated to our issues, for those who may be considering buying one too:

PROS:

- The Magic mouse is really great, particularly because of the scrolling and zooming gestures. (Though sometimes i accidentaly swipe in a browser and go back to a previous page losing any information that was input on the page i was originally on, for example, i had to retype this whole apple imac inquiry because i swiped backwards by mistake and the whole form cleared! annoying, wish the horizontal swipe navigated between tabs instead of going through the page view history.)

- When the imovie is not crashing, after watching some tutorials and making a few vids, its a really greatly improved program from the '09 version we used to use. I import and edit videos much faster now, and footage does not freeze or take time to load while im dragging and dropping, it is immediately responsive.

- Love using the Talk to text function (like Siri) by pressing "fn" twice. Use this to write long emails and papers with ease. Would like to see a "Speak" read back option that allows for text to be selected and read back (like Siri on iPad)


CONS:

- The text is SO small everywhere and there is no option to exactly set text size across the whole system, only option given is to set a different resolution which lessens the quality of the screen with pixelation, and some programs give you the option to set custom sized text in their individual preferences.

- Sometimes in both iMovie & Garageband, simple automated functionality will stop working, for example in iMove, when certain screens or images are dragged and dropped to the work area by the activity bar (i dont know what else to call it, the line that rolls across during playback or stays put when pressing spacebar) usually, that screen or image will click into place to align with the activity bar and will highlight the bar yellow to further communicate that alignment before you drop it, but after extended use in a session, that snapping into alignment when adding items stops working. Or sometimes you can drag and drop the ends of a title screen to adjust/trim the clip, but after extended time that too stops responding and does not let the cursor turn into that arrow that allows you to trim or extend, until after many frustrated clicks or a quit and restart.

- When sharing/exporting a video from iMovie, i would recommend unchecking the add to theatre option because it significantly extends the amount of time needed to complete the action and i found out the theatre is just like a video stream of your movies to be shared on icloud for easy access from your other devices (similar to the icloud photostream connected to iPhoto). It takes the time to make the video readily availabe in various sizes on the Mac server for easy access, which means it takes forever for your video to be exported to where you actually want it. This is not something we need and is not worth the wait time. (For example, last ime we left the theatre box checked, the progress status of the video was estimated to be completed in 351 minutes, and then 20 minutes later that somehow inclreased to 385 minutes, then duddenly it was done, so i think this add to theatre option also cause the progress status updates to go berzerk.)

iMac, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Jan 18, 2014 8:48 PM

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Jan 18, 2014 9:54 PM in response to CDops

The good news is you could upgrade the RAM yourself to 16GB or higher, to help the computer work better. If you'd gotten a 21.5" iMac, that wouldn't be an end-user option.


However the camera issue should be considered a defect since that is supposed to be sharper, and improved over earlier Facebook cameras (which replaced the iSight idea, with a different technology.)


You may have to contact Apple Support before 90 days (or before 14 days return window) to tell them of the issues you have with this computer and see what they suggest you do to attempt to get a cure without much additional pain or fiscal difficulty. The 90 days would be the complementary Support by phone or internet, but this may vary when one visits an official Apple Store and has an appointment with a Genius. The optional extended AppleCare plan expands the 90 day Support to a full three years and adds two years to Service portion of the original complementary coverage.


•Apple - Support - Contact:

http://www.apple.com/support/contact/


IntroducedSeptember 2013
Discontinued--
Model IdentifieriMac14,2
Model NumberA1419
EMC2639
Order NumberME088LL/A (3.2 GHz), ME089LL/A (3.4 GH


Built-in MemoryNone
Maximum Memory32 GB
Memory Slots4 - 204-pin PC3-12800 (1600 MHz) DDR3 SO-DIMM

{from Mactracker database}


With a download of Mactracker you can see many configuration specs on most things Mac offline. To get this free database, visit: http://mactracker.ca


Not sure about the other issues, or how the iMac 27" is configured, but as a fairly recent model it should perform better; & it will if you get some more RAM from OWC (otherworldcomputing) & install it yourself. But that camera issue concerns me because that may be a hardware issue that could require replacement.


So I suggest you contact Apple to see how they think you should proceed, however a local Apple Store should have a Genius bar, though the 27" iMac is a hefty item to haul around to an appointment.


Hopefully the matters are resolved within reason.

Good luck & happy computing! 🙂

Jan 20, 2014 5:44 AM in response to K Shaffer

Thank you for your response. So how is it that we could add more ram by ourselves? Do you mean bring it somewhere to get done or physically/manually add it ourselves? Because I dont even see a place where this thing could possibly be opened, totally different from a PC. Is there any possibility that the problems are not due to Ram? Because I am concerened that we may waste more money (that we dont have) getting more Rams, just for that to not solve the problem, because as it is, with just running one basic program (quick time) with no other programs running at the same time, and trying to use it in a very normal way (recording short clips) Its a bit rediculous that they would preload this program as a default on a 8gb ram computer if it could not handle it. Please make sure you check our video link that we included above to see if that flashing looks familiar and is indeed a Ram issue. Is there another recording program that we could use besides the Quicktime or Photobooth?


If anyone else could provide additional advice and experience we greatly appreciate it!!

Jan 23, 2014 1:45 AM in response to CDops

Given the maximum RAM that model can use is 32GB, and the earlier release of that 27" mid-2013 iMac is nearly the same in most regards, you may note the listing of this slightly older iMac 27" is here in an Apple support document...


•iMac: How to remove or install memory:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1423

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1423#1


The images of where the RAM chips are located, behind a metal plate, should be similar in your iMac and the mid-2013 iMac 27" shown in images on that page. Note there are several models discussed.


You could take the computer to a certified Apple service facility (retail store, or specialist reseller) and pay them to do this, and buy the RAM from them, and you will pay for this at a retail level. If they do it, you'd want to be assured the computer did all the things you sought to cure by upgrading RAM, correctly without fault. Like run tests and stuff.... Or there's no reason to not go ahead (after confirming from Apple) that you could buy quality RAM and do this job yourself, citing the Apple page link I'd posted above.


Contact Apple Support:

http://www.apple.com/support/contact/


You'd have to obtain the correct RAM (as indicated in my earlier post, citing MacTracker) of suitable quality for use in a Macintosh computer, and the recommendation for a DIY is to get the kit from 'Other World Computing' OWC online at their site. You can talk to knowledgable sales staff at OWC about what you have and what you need, and to help they may ask for the product serial number.


This is OWC and they have the spec RAM required for your iMac 27" model; double-check info:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iMac/2012_27/DDR3L


Since yours is an Apple Refurbished model it will have a different number series. Unlike those in a retail store, because Apple does that to tell what ones they refurbished; refurbs I bought online were like that.


With questions during the first three months, you can get 'support' under the initial 90-day span of ownership of the new (and certified) Apple refurbs bought online; the other part of that is 'service' for 1 year. Call a nearest retail Apple Store, to set a genius appointment; or go online, and start the process of reporting your issue, while you still have some kind of warranty on the device. They can diagnose the issues you cite and tell you if you can upgrade the RAM (as you likely can) then you can buy and install the RAM yourself and probably pay less than 1/2 the retail rate, if you get some from OWC. A diagnosis is free if the Genius looks into it, but you'd need to set an appointment & lug the iMac to their store; protected from weather/shock.


If you want to extend the complementary service to three years (less the included 90-days) and add two years of AppleCare service, that is an affordable option of about $170. For a total of three years coverage.


{If you had a 21.5-inch iMac the RAM would require a service department visit where they use a different method to install the RAM upgrade. Those are built differently than the 27-inch iMac.}


There is a bit of detailed important information in the Apple link on how to upgrade the iMac RAM. There is a certain amount of RAM installed already and these chips would likely be removed if you get matching sets of new RAM to upgrade the capacity. And no matter what some say, there is a reason why they can be upgraded with more. Even with Mavericks OS X 10.9.x and its 'memory compression' etc, it would gladly accept all the RAM upgrade chips it could swallow. (Behind metal screen, mid-bottom iMac 27")


You may need to consider questions about applications that use system resources separate from those about whatever issues your iMac seems to exhibit. There may be some other cause of the video and iMovie symptoms, but more RAM won't hurt given the beast you bought can use 32GB and it has 8.


And if it seems too much to handle, you have 14 days from date of

purchase to take it back. Contact them ahead of then, if you do.


Hopefully this helps.

Good luck & happy computing! 🙂

Jan 23, 2014 2:29 AM in response to CDops

There were several reviews of this (late 2013) model online in several sources, that may or may not give you some ideas. Some video and movie issues may be resolved by changing the resolution or size of display are in use. Sure that sounds a bit like chicken coup litter after buying into a behemoth that offers so much more.


A general search of this nature found some results here:

https://www.google.com/#q=iMac+27-inch+late+2013+video+graphic+movie+issues


Some of those ^ findings aren't worth much though.

A re-word and try again, again again? Too late. LOL


To see if others have troubles, maybe search with more direct words.

However I doubt english or french words of vivid language or metaphore

would help find a suitable archive of important solutions.


Video and editing image movie and other dense content involving layers of edits and temporary files, backups, copies, do make for a slower running computer at some level, and the applications themselves may need the resource of additional RAM.


And then there are those professional applications (see other ASC discussions) like FCPX?! ($)

https://discussions.apple.com/community/professional_applications


I viewed the youtube video(s) and saw there were a few issues in the size offered 'automatic' to use on my smaller display. I'm sure if the youtube freezes and stutters some with a small display and tiny viewer in an antique computer (and who knows if I am really getting 1/3 the bandwidth I'm paying for, too) a larger screen could also find a problem. Especially if the internet is not up to speed. What kind of connection to you have to the internet when you play online content?


The offline content, such as iMovie, and the like should be a bit snappy/er, but that may depend on a few factors in the configuration of the iMac. And if you have a fusion drive, or a flash drive, as they load quick and take the burden off some RAM demands, yet these could use more. The OWC 32GB kit is fair. And you have a basic warranty of 90 day support & one year service, if you got it from Apple online special deals. With the option to extend that, as noted previously.


As loaded with higher specs as the rest of the machine seems to be, the RAM is a weak area.


Sorry to not be able to offer more. If you start a new thread topic, you could refer to this so as to not repeat anything not directly related to iMovie, Youtube, etc. Except for the RAM upgrade. Most longterm Mac users would be the OWC ram and try again. And see if Mavericks has some built-in utilities to help make it go better. Most of them do, in general terms. But so much is automatically maintained, too.


The Apple Support Mavericks page (not store) has some stuff about troubleshooting issues, and other items.


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Good luck with this... thing! 🙂

Jan 23, 2014 2:41 AM in response to K Shaffer

PS: here's an iFixit.com page on how to upgrade

RAM in your late 2013 iMac 27-inch model...


If you order the upgrade from OWC ask about the spurger tool

to pry or press or open stuff, etc. It is what they say you need.


And it should be fairly easy.


ram upgrade page:

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+Intel+27-Inch+EMC+2639+RAM+Replacement/20249


main guide page:

http://www.ifixit.com/Device/iMac_Intel_27%22_EMC_2639


Tried to add this to above but it timed out.

Since you had no other topic started, I

put this in here with the other stuff...


Best of luck, so the irish say over a green beer! 🙂

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