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Q: Cannot Update Apps - Different Apple ID

I purchased my MacPro used from somebody.  It was installed with Mavericks.  I went to System Preferences>App Store and clicked on "Check Now" button to check for updates.  These updates are available:  OS X, Keynote, Numbers, Pages, and iPhoto.  When I click on "Update All" button I get a dialogue box asking me to sign in to download from the App Store.  In the "Apple ID" window is the ID of the person from whom I bought the MacPro and I am not given the option of typing in my own Apple ID. 

 

I suspect this is because the previous owner purchased Mavericks through the App Store and now I am unable to update the software because I did not purchase it. 

 

If that is the case, do I just need to go to the App Store and download the OS X Mavericks using my Apple ID?  And if so, will the install preserve all of my preferences?

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Robert

Mac Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9.1), 2 x 2.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon

Posted on Jan 25, 2014 5:46 AM

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  • by etresoft,

    etresoft etresoft Jan 25, 2014 6:12 AM in response to hapycampr2002
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    Jan 25, 2014 6:12 AM in response to hapycampr2002

    Maveicks isn't the issue. You have to delete those apps and repurchase them if you want to get updates.

  • by hapycampr2002,

    hapycampr2002 hapycampr2002 Jan 25, 2014 6:18 AM in response to etresoft
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    Jan 25, 2014 6:18 AM in response to etresoft

    Thank you etresoft.  The reason I asked about Mavericks is because I thought that those apps - Keynote, Numbers, Pages, and iPhoto - come with OS X.  Is that incorrect?  If it is incorrect, then I will uninstall those apps because I would never use them. 

  • by QuickTimeKirk,

    QuickTimeKirk QuickTimeKirk Jan 25, 2014 7:15 AM in response to hapycampr2002
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    Jan 25, 2014 7:15 AM in response to hapycampr2002

    Those apps are not included in OS X (never have been). The same with iPhoto, iMovie and GarageBand.

    They are, however, now included and installed on a new computer or iOS device purchase at no charge by Apple and are transferable with the machine or device.

  • by hapycampr2002,

    hapycampr2002 hapycampr2002 Jan 25, 2014 7:24 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk
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    Jan 25, 2014 7:24 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

    Thank you QuickTimeKirk for clarifying that.  I assumed they were part of the OS, not from a bundle that comes from a new device purchase.   But if they are "transferable with the machine or device" then I have two questions: 1) Why is the App Store asking me to sign in using the former owner's Apple ID  2) Why is it not giving me the option to sign in using my own Apple ID?

     

    Thank you.

  • by QuickTimeKirk,Helpful

    QuickTimeKirk QuickTimeKirk Jan 25, 2014 7:36 AM in response to hapycampr2002
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    Jan 25, 2014 7:36 AM in response to hapycampr2002

    The used device you bought didn't have those apps installed at its purchase. They were added later by the previous owner and are not transferable because they are tied to their ID.

    The used machine should have been sold to you at its "original state" and even its original OS. The only MacPro that has Mavericks is the new one just released so 10.9.1 on your machine is also tied to the previous owner.

    So. You may have gotten into a little sticky place with any app you wish to update.

    http://osxdaily.com/2013/07/26/transfer-mac-new-owner/

  • by hapycampr2002,

    hapycampr2002 hapycampr2002 Jan 25, 2014 7:51 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk
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    Jan 25, 2014 7:51 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

    Thanks again QuickTimeKirk.  Not knowing that I may run into this situation I told the previous owner he could leave Mavericks on the machine. Luckily, I will never use the iPhoto, Keynote, Numbers, and Pages apps so I am going to uninstall them.  That leaves Mavericks: do you know if I can go to the apps store and re-install Mavericks using my Apple ID?  FYI:  I have the Applications Install and Mac OS 10.6.4 Install DVD's that came with this MacPro, but I do not want to lose my preferences and I want to avoid having to reinstall 3rd party apps by doing a clean install.  That's why I am wondering if I can just re-install Mavericks using my Apple ID, thus allowing automatic updates. 

  • by Linc Davis,Helpful

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Jan 25, 2014 8:02 AM in response to hapycampr2002
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    Jan 25, 2014 8:02 AM in response to hapycampr2002

    The first thing you should do with a second-hand computer is to erase the internal drive and install a clean copy of OS X. You — not the previous owner — must do that. How you do it depends on the model, and on whether you already own another Mac. If you're not sure of the model, enter the serial number on this page. Then find the model on this page to see what OS version was originally installed.

    1. You don't own another Mac.

    If the machine shipped with OS X 10.4 or 10.5, you need a boxed and shrink-wrapped retail Snow Leopard (OS X 10.6) installation disc, which you can get from the Apple Store or a reputable reseller — not from eBay or anything of the kind. If the machine has less than 1 GB of memory, you'll need to add more in order to install 10.6. I suggest you install as much memory as it can take, according to the technical specifications.

    If the machine shipped with OS X 10.6, you need the installation media that came with it: gray installation discs, or a USB flash drive for some MacBook Air models. For early MBA models, you may need a USB optical drive or Remote Disc. You should have received the media from the previous owner, but if you didn't, order replacements from Apple. A retail disc, or the gray discs from another model, will not work.

    To boot from an optical disc or a flash drive, insert it, then reboot and hold down the C key at the startup chime. Release the key when you see the gray Apple logo on the screen.

    If the machine shipped with OS X 10.7 or later, you don't need media. It should boot into Internet Recovery mode when you hold down the key combination option-command-R at the startup chime. Release the keys when you see a spinning globe.

    2. You do own another Mac.

    If you already own another Mac that was upgraded in the App Store to the version of OS X that you want to install, and if the new Mac is compatible with it, then you can install it. Use Recovery Disk Assistant to create a bootable USB device and boot the new Mac from it by holding down the C key at the startup chime. You will need the Apple ID and password that you used to upgrade. Note that if your other Mac was never upgraded in the App Store, you can't use this method.

    Once booted from the disc, the USB device, or Internet Recovery, launch Disk Utility and select the icon of the internal drive — not any of the volume icons nested beneath it. In the Partition tab, select the default options: a GUID partition table with one data volume in Mac OS Extended (Journaled) format. This operation will permanently remove all existing data on the drive, which is what you should do.

    After partitioning, quit Disk Utility and run the OS X Installer. When the installation is done, the system will automatically reboot into the Setup Assistant, which will prompt you to transfer the data from another Mac, its backups, or from a Windows computer. If you have any data to transfer, this is usually the best time to do it.

    You should then run Software Update and install all available system updates from Apple. If you want to upgrade to a major version of OS X newer than 10.6, get it from the Mac App Store. Note that you can't keep an upgraded version that was installed by the previous owner. He or she can't legally transfer it to you, and without the Apple ID you won't be able to update it in Software Update or reinstall, if that becomes necessary. The same goes for any App Store products that the previous owner installed — you have to repurchase them.

    If the previous owner "accepted" the bundled iLife applications (iPhoto, iMovie, and Garage Band) in the App Store so that he or she could update them, then they're linked to that Apple ID and you won't be able to download them without buying them. Reportedly, Apple customer service has sometimes issued redemption codes for these apps to second owners who asked.

    If the previous owner didn't deauthorize the computer in the iTunes Store under his Apple ID, you wont be able to  authorize it under your ID. In that case, contact iTunes Support.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Jan 25, 2014 8:04 AM in response to hapycampr2002
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    Jan 25, 2014 8:04 AM in response to hapycampr2002

    That leaves Mavericks: do you know if I can go to the apps store and re-install Mavericks using my Apple ID?

     

    You can, but you will need to wipe the drive first. Right now, you won't be able to reinstall because it is tied to the previous Apple ID. Erasing is the only way you will be able to associate both the computer and the OS (and any apps) with your Apple ID. In order to do that, you will need to original install disks (if it came with Snow Leopard) - boot from that, wipe your drive and reinstall. After that, you can download Mavericks.

     

    You have the install disks, so there is no problem erasing and reinstalling.

  • by QuickTimeKirk,

    QuickTimeKirk QuickTimeKirk Jan 25, 2014 8:15 AM in response to hapycampr2002
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    Jan 25, 2014 8:15 AM in response to hapycampr2002

    You're in a bit of a mess as your only real option is to erase the startup drive and go all the way back to Snow Leopard. You have a 10.6.3 DVD and need to install and update it to 10.6.8 via the "combo update".

    All software and OS's are now installed via the App Store and will be tied to your ID (not the orginal owner). You can download Mavericks (10.9.1) and any app you purchased via the App Store at no charge.

    Any third party app that you installed from a Web based download will need to be reinstalled. If you still have the installer .dmg file you could move it to another drive so it doesn't get erased.

  • by hapycampr2002,Solvedanswer

    hapycampr2002 hapycampr2002 Jan 25, 2014 9:09 AM in response to Linc Davis
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    Jan 25, 2014 9:09 AM in response to Linc Davis

    This is what I have done:  I went to the Apps Store and downloaded OS X Mavericks using my Apple ID.  It is now sitting in my Downloads folder waiting for me to install it.     If I install this OS X Mavericks then I assume I will have solved the problem because it will be associated with my Apple ID.

     

    What I need to know now is, by installing this OSX Mavericks will this be the same as a clean install, or will it simply do what is done with other OS updates and update in the background while keeping my Preferences, 3rd party apps, etc. intact?

     

    Screenshot 2014-01-25 11.37.41.png

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Jan 25, 2014 9:32 AM in response to hapycampr2002
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    Jan 25, 2014 9:32 AM in response to hapycampr2002

    What I need to know now is, by installing this OSX Mavericks will this be the same as a clean install, or will it simply do what is done with other OS updates and update in the background while keeping my Preferences, 3rd party apps, etc. intact?

     

    The latter.

  • by hapycampr2002,

    hapycampr2002 hapycampr2002 Jan 25, 2014 11:07 AM in response to babowa
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    Jan 25, 2014 11:07 AM in response to babowa

    Thanks to everybody for taking the time to respond to my question.  However, most of the advice was wrong.  I say this not because I am unappreciative of the people took the time to try and help, but to point this out in order that in the future you will know how my problem was solved and not lead somebody down the wrong path to fixing the problem.  First, I definitely did not have to wipe my drive clean, as was suggested by babowa; or erase the internal drive and install a clean copy of OS X, as suggested by Linc. 

     

    My original question was, "...do I just need to go to the App Store and download the OS X Mavericks using my Apple ID?  And if so, will the install preserve all of my preferences?"

     

    The answer was "Yes" to both questions. 

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Jan 25, 2014 11:18 AM in response to hapycampr2002
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    Jan 25, 2014 11:18 AM in response to hapycampr2002

    Glad to hear that you were able to reinstall.

     

    Just to be clear, there is no explanation of why/how that worked as it does not follow Apple's SLA instructions/restrictions as the advice given previously by the various posters was following Apple's guidelines.

     

    You can read the entire SLA here:

     

    Mavericks (note para. 2B):

     

    http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX109.pdf

     

    and this one for Pages:

     

    http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/Pages.pdf

  • by hapycampr2002,

    hapycampr2002 hapycampr2002 Jan 25, 2014 11:37 AM in response to babowa
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    Jan 25, 2014 11:37 AM in response to babowa

    Those pages deal with licensing, but I stated in my initial question that I already suspected the problem of not being able to update was due to licensing ("I suspect this is because the previous owner purchased Mavericks through the App Store and now I am unable to update the software because I did not purchase it.").  My initial mistake was what Linc had pointed out:  "The first thing you should do with a second-hand computer is to erase the internal drive and install a clean copy of OS X."  My bad: I told the previous owner to leave Maverick on the computer. 

     

    My question was how to solve the problem somebody has when they purchase a used Mac with the previous owner's OS X on it. 

     

    This problem was solved (being unable to update the OS X Maverick licensed to the previous owner's Apple ID) by going to the App Store, signing in under my Apple ID, downloading OS X Maverick, and reinstalling the Maverick that I downloaded through my Apple ID.  Now I am able to get updates because the new Maverick is licensed to my Apple ID.  And in doing so I was able to maintain all Preferences, 3rd party software, etc. that I had already set up in the previous OS X Maverick. 

     

    Of course, I would not have come to the final conclusion if I had not first considered the posibilities presented to me by those who answered my question.  So I want to reiterate my appreciation for the responses. 

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