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Q: Airport Extreme wifi throughput issues

I've got a 2007 A1143 with Gigabit ethernet. Lately, I've noticed poor wifi performance. I've measured around 30Mbs over hardwired ethernet to transfer a specific file from my ethernet connected Mac Pro and around 1Mbs over the wifi, even with my Retina Macbook Pro in the same room as the Airport. I know it's not the RMBP, as I have another Macbook that has the same readings.

 

Airport is on channel 6, and I have another linksys used to extend the range on Channel 1 (which gets all of 3Mbs). No other wifi is visible on iStumbler.

 

I've tried deleting the entry in the RMBP wifi list and then adding it again, all with no luck.

 

Any other suggestions?

 

Thanks.

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Mavericks (10.9.1)

Posted on Jan 27, 2014 5:42 AM

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  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Jan 27, 2014 10:36 AM in response to wa1oui
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    Jan 27, 2014 10:36 AM in response to wa1oui

    Airport is on channel 6, and I have another linksys used to extend the range on Channel 1 (which gets all of 3Mbs). No other wifi is visible on iStumbler.

    Since 802.11n AirPort base stations can basically only extend other Apple base stations, are you saying that you are using a Linksys device to extend your AirPort Extreme? Is so, are you sure that it is actually extending it?

     

    Or are you saying that you have the Linksys device connected by Ethernet to the Extreme and have both of them configured for a roaming network? If that's the case, then both routers should be broadcasting a Wi-Fi network on the same radio channel.

  • by wa1oui,

    wa1oui wa1oui Jan 27, 2014 10:41 AM in response to Tesserax
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    Jan 27, 2014 10:41 AM in response to Tesserax

    Linksys is on a different channel and ssid and has DHCP turned off. Just using it because I owned it. It was replaced by the Extreme as my router.

  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Jan 27, 2014 10:55 AM in response to wa1oui
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    Jan 27, 2014 10:55 AM in response to wa1oui

    Then the Linksys is NOT extending the Extreme. I still need to understand if you have this Linksys connected to the Extreme by Ethernet? If it's not, then it is just broadcasting a second Wi-Fi network and not connected to any network at all.

  • by wa1oui,

    wa1oui wa1oui Jan 27, 2014 11:02 AM in response to Tesserax
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    Jan 27, 2014 11:02 AM in response to Tesserax

    Sorry I wasn't clear. Linksys is on Ethernet.

  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Jan 27, 2014 12:38 PM in response to wa1oui
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    Jan 27, 2014 12:38 PM in response to wa1oui

    Ok, thanks for clarifying that for me. Unless you have a specific need to have the Linksys broadcast a different Wi-Fi network, I would strongly suggest that you consider reconfiguring both for a roaming network. I provided you with a link earlier.

     

    If this is not something you want to do, then I would suggest that you temporarily power-down the Linksys so that the AirPort is the only Wi-Fi network and take the data rate measurements again to see if there is any improvements.

  • by wa1oui,

    wa1oui wa1oui Jan 27, 2014 4:45 PM in response to Tesserax
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    Jan 27, 2014 4:45 PM in response to Tesserax

    @Tesserax

     

    I would love to have a roaming network, but the Linksys uses an older security that has a hex password, while the Apple uses a normal English language password, so I've had to do it the other way. WEP vs. WPA???

     

    I did power down the Linksys, and there was still no difference... anywhere from 500Kbs to 3Mbs, with the lower values more common.

     

    I tested it in the room with the Apple Extreme. iStumbler shows me 71% signal, 215 noise and Channel 6.

     

    Do you know what I SHOULD see as a wifi throughput on a mid-2012 Retina MBP?

     

    Thanks.

  • by Tesserax,Solvedanswer

    Tesserax Tesserax Jan 27, 2014 7:22 PM in response to wa1oui
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    Jan 27, 2014 7:22 PM in response to wa1oui

    Ok going back to the A1143 Extreme. This 1st generation model uses either the 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz radio for Wi-Fi, but not both simultaneously. It also has Fast Ethernet (100 Mbps) Ethernet ports, not Gigabit.

     

    With the Linksys powered-down, I would expect that you should get potential Wi-Fi link rates up to 130 Mbps on the 2.4 GHz band between the Extreme and the MBP. Actual throughput would be about half this ... which is significantly more than you are getting now if you are measuring 500 Kbps - 3 Mbps.

     

    Since you are using iStumbler what are the values for Signal (dBm) & Noise (dBm) when using iStumbler's Inspector feature? You will find this feature on iStumbler menu bar at Edit > Inspector. They should show up as negative values, not percentages.

     

    Also please provide the values from the OS X AirPort icon when holding down the option key before selecting the icon. I am specifically interested in: PHY MODE, Channel, RSSI, Transmit Rate, & MCX Index values.

     

    ... and what is the model number of your Linksys device?

  • by wa1oui,

    wa1oui wa1oui Jan 28, 2014 5:08 AM in response to Tesserax
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    Jan 28, 2014 5:08 AM in response to Tesserax

    First, my fat fingers accidentally hit "this solved my question". I very much appreciate your efforts, but we are still working on this of course.

     

    Answers:

     

    This model also came out later with gigabit ethernet, which is what I have.

     

    In the same room as the router, signal is anywhere from -23 to -39dBm, noise -81 to -92 dBM

     

    PHY Mode: 802.11n

    Channel 6 (2.4GHz)

    RSSI: -40

    Transmit Rate: 117

    MCS Index 14

     

    Linksys (turned off) is WRT350N

     

    Thanks.

  • by Tesserax,Helpful

    Tesserax Tesserax Jan 28, 2014 9:07 PM in response to wa1oui
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    Jan 28, 2014 9:07 PM in response to wa1oui

    In the same room as the router, signal is anywhere from -23 to -39dBm, noise -81 to -92 dBM

    That would give you a Signal-to-Noise Ratio range between 42 & 69 dB, which is an excellent score.

     

    SNR (db) = Signal (dBm) - Noise (dBm)

     

    -39 -(-81) = 42 & -23 -(-92) = 69

     

    This would at least tell me that the signal quality in the same room is excellent, which it should be.

     

    PHY Mode: 802.11n

    Channel 6 (2.4GHz)

    Your MBP is connected to the Extreme's 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi network on channel 6 in the 802.11n radio mode.

     

    RSSI: -40

    RSSI is the Received Signal Strength Indication. It is measured in arbitrary units. For Apple routers, the more negative the value the better the received signal. A RSSI value of -40 is good, but not great.

     

    Transmit Rate: 117

    MCS Index 14

    The Transmit Rate is within the standard with a MCS Index value equal to 14. This value indicates that the Wi-Fi network established between the AirPort Extreme and the MBP is using two spatial streams. However, both this Extreme model and your MBP are both capable of connecting with three streams. (MCS values between 16 & 23)

     

    Not sure why your MBP cannot establish a better connection with the Extreme, especially if they are in the same room ... and since the SNR values are so high.

  • by wa1oui,

    wa1oui wa1oui Jan 29, 2014 4:30 AM in response to Tesserax
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    Jan 29, 2014 4:30 AM in response to Tesserax

    Thanks for the analysis... I'll post again if anything changes.

  • by wa1oui,Helpful

    wa1oui wa1oui Feb 2, 2014 8:42 AM in response to wa1oui
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    Feb 2, 2014 8:42 AM in response to wa1oui

    *****SOLVED IT*****

     

    Went to the Apple Store and bought a brand new Apple Extreme.

     

    Previous file transfer over home network was 1-3Mbs, now it's 20-30Mbs or more...

     

    I had a 6 year old wifi router... I guess technology DOES improve over time.