iTunes and LimeWire

iTunes will not allow you to put shared music onto your iPod.

If you own the CDs, you can import your CDs into your own library.
If you do not own the CDs, you can listen to them thru iTunes but it is illegal for you to put them onto your computer or your iPod.

Limwire isnt purchesed music.
Its music people already bought and is WILLINGLY SHARING

just like u burning a friends cd

My friend has no problem downloading it into her ipod. i dont know whats wrong with it

Limwire isnt purchesed music.
Correct. Limewire is program which is used to steal music.

Its music people already bought and is WILLINGLY SHARING
just like u burning a friends cd
And both of these are illegal.

My friend has no problem downloading it into her ipod. i dont know whats wrong with it
Because you obviously did not understand what was posted.

Limwire isnt purchesed music.
Correct. Limewire is program which is used to steal
music.

Limewire is a file sharing problem. Are you saying that guns are tools used to murder?

Its music people already bought and is WILLINGLY
SHARING
just like u burning a friends cd
And both of these are illegal.

No. They are not illegal. You can buy an iPod Hi-Fi and share your music with anyone. According to the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 sharing music with no intent of commercial gain is legal. In fact, that same act created a tax on blank media that you now pay to the recording companies whether you copy music onto it or now.

My friend has no problem downloading it into her
ipod. i dont know whats wrong with it
Because you obviously did not understand what was
posted.

No, it is a case of lawyers and corrupt politicians run amuck. We are the citizens. We are the government. We make our own laws using something called the "United States Constitution." The concept of "legality" is 100% social construction. What is considered "legal" has, can, and will change with time.

According to the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 sharing music with no intent of commercial gain is legal. In fact, that same act created a tax on blank media that you now pay to the recording companies whether you copy music onto it or now.

Incorrect. What the AHRA actually does is set the rights and restrictions for the makers of digital recording devices and the publishers of digital content and media. Prior to that law, it was unclear whether or not recording at home, for instance with your VCR or from a radio broadcast, was legal. Nowhere does the AHRA, or any other US law, give anyone the right to duplicate copyrighted media and give it away, whether or not any financial benefit is incurred. Duplicating and giving away a track for which you do not own the copyright or duplication rights, whether it's obtained from CD or from a download music store, and whether you give it away for free to your friends or sell it on eBay, is illegal, period.

Limewire can be a source of legal downloads, but by most estimates over 80% (if not more) of the content on Limewire is pirated, illegal content. It's probably unfair to assume that anyone getting tracks on Limewire is obtaining illegal content, but the fact is that most people are indeed doing so, some unknowingly and some knowingly.

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Are you saying that guns are tools used to murder?
Guns are not just a tool for murder but they are something used in some murders.
Are you suggesting guns are not used in murders?

+95% of LimeWire users are using it soley to download copyrighted works which they have not purchased a license for.
I'd wager only a very, very small percentage of gun owners use them for murder.

No, it is a case of lawyers and corrupt politicians run amuck
Yes, the second poster did not understand what the first was asking. She seemed to think that the OP had Limewire on her computer. She doesn't.

Do you think;
1 - artists should get paid for their work?
2 - artists should get paid what they think they are worth?
3 - artists should get paid but only what others think they should get paid?

Speeding is illegal. Jaywalking is illegal too. Illegal immigration is, ahem, illegal.

My point is that "legality" can, does, will, and should change over time. Just because a lobbyist and his politician tells you something is illegal doesn't mean it should be. In a free society, we make our own laws. One of the first ones me made was that we didn't have to obey the king. Guess what? That was really illegal.

I don't like comments such as "people use Limewire to steal music". I use Limewire all the time to find music. Do I just wait in the record store for whatever top 40 junk the industry deigns to sell me?

Some of the best music I have is what I have found via Limewire. If I can, I will purchase a CD so I can import the music at a decent quality. But in many cases, such as with a lot of "imported" music, you can't buy it here in the US for any price.

. The thing the anti-Limewire people often miss is that most of the music on Limewire is pretty low quality. If you buy the CD and import the music yourself, you can import at 192 bits and actually understand the words. This also applies to music copied from other people. You have no idea what they used to import the music and what the quality is unless you do it yourself.
Most people who use Limewire do NOT care about the quality (unless you really cannot listen to it). They just want everything under the sun for free.
And if they do get a poor quality recording, they simply look around for a different one.

But in many cases, such as with a lot of "imported" music, you can't buy it here in the US for any price.
That still doesn't make it right OR legal.
Are you sending the copyright ownerand or artist a few $$? I doubt it.

I don't have a million dollars and I doubt I will get it anytime soon and I am working to earn it but with your logic, I should be able to stroll into the bank and "collect" it, right?

I don't like comments such as "people use Limewire to steal music".
So what? Facts is facts. People DO use Limewire to steal.

No one said everyone who uses Limewire, uses it to steal, and evertime they use it they steal.

What should or should be legal is irrelevant. The fact is that distributing music to which you don't have the rights or downloading or otherwise obtaining content for which you don't have (by purchase or other method) a legal license is illegal in the US and most other countries. If you want that changed, petition Congress to change US copyright law. But don't hold your breath; most people who create the content we all want would like to be compensated for it.

I don't like comments such as "people use Limewire to steal music". I use Limewire all the time to find music.

Sorry, but it's the stone cold truth. Your use of Limewire notwithstanding, the fact is, again, that most of the files on Limewire are there illegally, so most users of Limewire download them, which in the US at least is breaking the law.

in many cases, such as with a lot of "imported" music, you can't buy it here in the US for any price.

That may be, and I certainly understand the issue and the temptation, but it doesn't change the facts. If you download copyrighted music and have not purchased a copy or otherwise obtained a legal license by some means, then you're breaking the law.

+95% of LimeWire users are using it soley to download
copyrighted works which they have not purchased a
license for.
I'd wager only a very, very small percentage of gun
owners use them for murder.

I'm a vegetarian, so I have different perspective on that. I say there are very few people who use either LimeWire or guns for actions that I approve of. Hunting isn't illegal, but I think it should be. File sharing isn't illegal, and I don't think it should be either.

Do you think;
1 - artists should get paid for their work?
2 - artists should get paid what they think they are
worth?
3 - artists should get paid but only what others
think they should get paid?

What artists get paid is their own responsibility. I think they shouldn't multi-year deals with record companies that give them a few pennies for each $18.99 CD that is sold. I would rather have artists making music they want instead of what recording companies think will sell.

I think we should let the free market do its job without government interference. If recording companies had to compete with file sharing without lawyers, they would have to lower the price. Purchased music you have imported yourself is always higher quality than downloaded music. The only reason people download is because it costs too much. Look at Apple with the Music Store, even at 99 cents a song, they are making a killing. That isn't much of a discount from CDs. But it is a little bit and you can find the music you want to buy, in good quality, instead of what is expected to sell the most in your local teenager-infested mall.

I say there are very few people who use either LimeWire or guns for actions that I approve of.
Huh? You think file sharing should be legal and most people use Limewire for filesharing.

File sharing isn't illegal, and I don't think it should be either.
It's not? You must be from Canada.

What artists get paid is their own responsibility.
When people are not purchaisng their music because everyone is sharing it, how could they get paid anything above and beyond the first copy sold?
Again, you seem to think you should be entitled to what you want, for free and the artists should not get paid, unless you think they should.

I think they shouldn't multi-year deals with record companies that give them a few pennies for each $18.99 CD that is sold
And you would deprive these artist of the few pennies they get?

I think we should let the free market do its job without government interference
Big difference between anarchy and free market.

Right now the free market has decided that file sharing is illegal in the U.S. (Just ask Napster and a few other file sharing servives and the RIAA)
Read the DMCA.
Don't like it? Vote the people who DID agree with it out of office.

You cannot.
Also, using Limewire to download music you have not purhcased is illegal.

Please do not STEAL music