Quadra 605

http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html

scroll way down to Sytem Software Downloads. Looks like you also need to get Softeware Enabler 065 from teh same section.

Please note that 7.5.5 is merely an update.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/System_7.5.5_Update/Sys_7.5.5_Update.txt

If not already installed, a complete System 7.5.3 (nineteen files) can be found via the web page mentioned by Allan.

No System Enabler 065 needed under System 7.5.3/7.5.5.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ta28948

BTW, it may not be necessary to install the 7.5.5 update at all; System 7.5.3 usually works fine as it is.

Jan

Hi,

Is the Quadra 605 fully working today? If so, under which operating system version?

Do you have access to another older (pre-1998) Macintosh computer with a built-in floppy drive? If not, a more modern Mac and an external USB floppy drive? Alternatively, a Windows PC with a floppy drive?

The nineteen System 7.5.3 files could be copied to 1.44 MB floppies. This is not a normal set of system floppies, though (see the text file). The idea would be to transfer all nineteen files (which, once decoded, constitute one large disk image) to the hard disk of the Quadra 605.

If necessary, a Network Access Disk 7.5 floppy (also available from the web page above) can be used as a startup disk.

Do not hesitate to post back for details about transfers, decoding, etc.

Jan

Hello,

>but if what you are saying is correct then, if I understand, I should be able to copy files from the 7.5.5 and install that system on the 7.1.

It was was not meant like that in this case. I was referring to copying downloaded System 7.5.3 file segments to floppies (for transfers).

However, in principle you are right. It is possible to copy a system folder, and then move that folder to another machine. This is sometimes used as a temporary measure before installing a complete system, or when troubleshooting.

>because I have always undetstood that system software was engineered to NOT be copied.

This is correct. You should always use the installer whenever possible. In the case we discuss here, that would mean downloading and installing System 7.5.3 (nineteen files).

>Well, I just now tried to copy the system folder onto a 1.4 mb floppy and "was told" that I need nearly 35mb more which means I would need nearly 30 1.4mb floppies!!

Let us try to find a way of installing a completely new System 7.5.3 on the System 7.1 machine instead (if you absolutely want there). System 7.5.3 can later be updated to 7.5.5 (if necessary).

Generally speaking, if you need to copy large files from one Quadra to another, you could use file sharing (through a normal Macintosh MiniDIN-8M to MiniDIN 8-M printer cable between the printer ports).

>After looking at http://support.apple.com/kb/ta28948 I see that I need System Enabler 065,

No, not with System 7.5.3 (see note D).

>I didn't see it on that Apple support site. So far I haven't found where I can obtain a Network Access Disk 7.5 floppy

It is on the Older Software Downloads list (http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html) under Utilities:

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin

You will need Disk Copy 4.2 (the Make A Copy button) to create a floppy from the Network Access Disk 7.5 download.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.sea.bin

>I have an external USB floppy drive with 100mb disks, but see no way to move downloaded system software to the Quadra

Is that an Iomega Zip 100 USB drive? If so, it would be possible to use a SCSI Iomega Zip 100 drive with the same 100 MB disk. That would make it possible to move downloaded files from a more modern computer (the USB drive) to a Quadra 605 (the SCSI drive connected to the SCSI port). Zip 100 (SCSI) drives can be found at low prices through an online auction site.

Which more modern computers do you have access to? Another Mac (model and operating system?) and/or a Windows PC (internal floppy drive?)?

Any SCSI accessories, like an external CD-ROM drive for the Quadras?

Jan

Addendum

The exact location for the nineteen System 7.5.3 files is on the Older Software Downloads list under System Software Downloads (http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#system).

System_7.5.3_01of19.smi.bin

System_7.5.3_02of19.part.bin

et cetera, all the way to

System_7.5.3_19of19.part.bin

BTW, has any of the two Quadras been equipped with an Ethernet network card?

Do you have access to an old serial modem (with modem cable) for the Quadras?

Extra information about available hardware is going to make it easier to suggest suitable transfer solutions.

Is there a StuffIt Expander utility on one of the Quadras?

Jan

Reinaldo,

Knowing what large city you are near can help in answering your question. Seattle may be home to the newest Super Bowl champions, but four blocks east of their stadium is a recycling store that saves older Mac software from certain destruction. They sell software. Here is the challenge. Who will value that resource the most?

We have all of the software disks and discs you need but they are not for sale. They are used in educational programs. I believe that the best source of older software is Mac user groups. Post back with your approximate location - no personal information, please. Then maybe we can find local resources for you. Otherwise, offer the highest bid on ebay and you can own your own piece of Apple OS history.

Ji~m

Ron,

There are a lot of places online that will sell you a SCSI zip drive for $40 or less. There must be some recycler in Denver that will sell you one for $10. Seattle has a great store for recycled Macs. Spokane has ecycling stores with old mac stuff. If you are going to Denver some time, look for used computer stores. Buy anything SCSI because SCSI is great for working on older computers. You can partition a old SCSI hard drive and have multiple OS options. You can have OS 7.1, 7.5.3 (my favorite), 8.1 (the next favorite) all on one drive. Boot from a bare bones system floppy, select the OS partition you want and then restart from the external SCSI drive. Copy the System folder, reselect the internal hard drive and reboot. That simple.

Even OS 8.1 will fit on a 100 Meg zip disk. Put it in a SCSI zip drive and it will boot many different models. BTW, always select a unviversal install instead of a model specific install.

Good luck tracking down a SCSI zip drive. Ours have been going strong since 1995.

Ji~m

Hi Ron,

>one Quadra 7.5.1

>system 7.5.3 which I do have on another Quadra 605

Earlier you mentioned one System 7.5.5 and one 7.1.

>I'm using is an iMac witth System 10.6.8 and an external USB floppy drive.

That may be your first problem. Mac OS X 10.6.x can read but not write HFS (Mac OS Standard). I guess that this is true for disks in an external USB floppy drive as well (and for Zip disks in a USB Zip 100 drive).

All Macintosh computers with an operating systems earlier than Mac OS 8.1 require HFS (Mac OS Standard). The Quadra 605 can not read or write HFS+ (Mac OS Extended), the file system used on modern Macs.

So, you would either have to find a way to write HFS (Mac OS Standard, on a Mac earlier than Mac OS X 10.6), or use PC-formatted disks.

A Quadra 605 running System 7.5.x should have a PC Exchange control panel in the Control Panels folder (in the System Folder). This allows that computer to handle PC disks. A PC floppy would appear directly on the Desktop. So, if you know someone with access to a Windows PC, you should be able to download and transfer the nineteen System 7.5.3 files (keep them exactly as they were when downloaded = .bin until on the Quadra) on 1.44 MB PC-formatted floppy disks. Once at the Quadra, drag the files onto the StuffIt Expander program icon (or open the files from the File menu when StuffIt Expander has been launched).

A System 7.1 Quadra 605 may or may not have a PC Exchange control panel in the Control Panels folder. The normal way to handle PC disks under System 7.1 was otherwise to run a separate program called Apple File Exchange (to be manually installed from the Tidbits system floppy).

Jan

Jan,

You bring up a good point with the HFS+. What that really means for Ron is that a bridge machine would be very useful for working on older Macs. A platinum G3 with USB or a G4 with SCSI would be helpful. People should save their money and a lot of grief and skip the B&W G3s.

Ji~m

Hi Jim,

It is a bit strange to have to suggest using a Windows computer and PC-formatted floppies for transfers to an old Mac. Or, to use PC diskettes in a USB floppy drive connected to a Mac OS X 10.6.8 iMac...

Yes, a beige G3 (or perhaps another slightly older pre-1998 Macintosh computer with Ethernet) connected to the Internet would make things easier.

Jan