InnaKo

Q: .DNG are locked in iPhoto

Good day.
I am using Adobe DNG Conventer for my Canon RAW, to process them in Photoshop CS4

Put the converted files into iPhoto 9.4.2.

In info of the image can not see the format, the size is raw/dng like, when want to edit in the external editor(CS4) - iPhoto sends the jpg version. When want just simply Option/drag the file (big size, no format mentioned) - jpg goes out.

How can I use my DNG's after all?

Please, help.

MacBook Pro with Retina display

Posted on Feb 2, 2014 10:04 AM

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  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Feb 2, 2014 5:16 PM in response to InnaKo
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    Feb 2, 2014 5:16 PM in response to InnaKo

    I have no idea what has gone on but

     

    If you export the original then that is what iPhoto has available - you can  not export anything that iPhoto does not have

    You can right click on the iPhoto library and show package contents - look (MAKE NO CHANGES) in the originals folder and see what is there - when you export the original that is what you get - that is what is available and what you originally imported

     

    LN

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Feb 2, 2014 10:36 PM in response to InnaKo
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    Feb 2, 2014 10:36 PM in response to InnaKo

    WHat do you get if you export from iPhoto using the

     

    FIle -> Export

     

    KInd -> Original

     

    setting?

  • by InnaKo,

    InnaKo InnaKo Feb 3, 2014 12:44 AM in response to Terence Devlin
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    Feb 3, 2014 12:44 AM in response to Terence Devlin

    I export 14,7MB no-format file as Original and get 4,7MB JPG.

  • by InnaKo,

    InnaKo InnaKo Feb 3, 2014 12:59 AM in response to LarryHN
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    Feb 3, 2014 12:59 AM in response to LarryHN

    I don't have the Originals folder there. Nothing that even starts with "O".

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Feb 3, 2014 1:07 AM in response to InnaKo
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    Feb 3, 2014 1:07 AM in response to InnaKo

    Well exporting the original shluld get out exactly what you put in.

     

    As a Test:

     

    Hold down the option (or alt) key and launch iPhoto. From the resulting menu select 'Create Library'

     

    Import a few pics into this new, blank library. Is the Problem repeated there?

     

    Post back with the result.

  • by InnaKo,

    InnaKo InnaKo Feb 3, 2014 2:21 AM in response to Terence Devlin
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    Feb 3, 2014 2:21 AM in response to Terence Devlin

    Made a test.

    Imported into the new library both original raw-CR2 and conveted raw-DNG.  Both are recognised by iPhoto as RAW, the size differs. (DNG's are 4MB smaller)

    Can Export->Original both files(in DNG and in CR2), can open DNG in the CS4.

     

     

    The new Library doesn't have the Originals folder either.

  • by InnaKo,

    InnaKo InnaKo Feb 3, 2014 2:16 AM in response to Terence Devlin
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    Feb 3, 2014 2:16 AM in response to Terence Devlin

    There is no way that before I have imported into iPhoto something else than DNG files.

    The Adobe conventer makes only them, and names them DNG.dng and DNG_1.dng

    I can see the name in the info of the file, but not the format.

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Feb 3, 2014 2:41 AM in response to InnaKo
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    Feb 3, 2014 2:41 AM in response to InnaKo

    The new Library doesn't have the Originals folder either.

     

    Where are you looking?

     

    The first library is damaged, and that's why you can't export an original.

     

    When you import a Raw to iPhoto it automatically makes a jpeg Preview of the shot. Why? Because you can't do anything with Raw - can't print it, share it online, use it in other apps etc. So to allow you to use the file immediately the Preview is available.

     

    You can, however, also process the Raw in iPhoto simply by editing it. The Raw processing engine in iPhoto the same one used in Aperture, but with less fine control. (Think of the differences between Word and TextEdit, iMovie and Final Cut). The output from the processing then replaces the preview. You can choose to save your output as either jpeg or tiff in the iPhoto Preferences.

     

    Note: After you have processed a Raw, subsequent edits to the photo are carried out on the processed jpeg (or tiff) not the Raw. If you want to go back to the original then you need to use the Photos -> Reprocess Raw command.

     

    Processing Raw in a 3rd Party Application

     

     

    You can also process your Raw with a 3rd Party app like ACR or Photoshop. *But* iPhoto does not handle this gracefully and it's a bit of a kludge.

     

     

    First off set your preferred app as an external editor in iPhoto:

     

     

    You can set Photoshop (or any image editor) as an external editor in iPhoto. (Preferences -> General -> Edit Photo: Choose from the Drop Down Menu.) This way, when you double click a pic to edit in iPhoto it will open automatically in Photoshop or your Image Editor, and when you save it it's sent back to iPhoto automatically. This is the only way that edits made in another application will be displayed in iPhoto.

     

    Next: In the iPhoto Preferences -> Advanced, elect to use Raw with your External editor:

     

    Now when you go to edit the Raw it will be sent to your external editor.

     

     

    Now for the kludge:

     

     

    You cannot save a Raw. The work you do must be output to a new file, in a new format (jepg, tiff, whatever). However, as the External Editor is making this new file iPhoto has no knowledge of its existence. Therefore you *must save it to the desktop and then import it back to iPhoto as a new file*.

     

     

    This means that you will have your Original Raw and the processed version in iPhoto but they will not be recognised as version and original. iPhoto will see them as two separate shots.

     

    That said, rather than switching cameras, it would be a lot cheaper, more efficient and easier to switch your photo software. Forget the (overly expensive) Photoshop and use Aperture or Lightroom instead. Both of these work with Raw non-destructively, both are at least as good as Photoshop for working with images and processing Raws, both are photo managers as well, and using either of them means you simply don't have this problem at all.

     

    And with Aperture at about $80 and Lightroom at $150, they're a whole less expensive than changing cameras.

  • by InnaKo,

    InnaKo InnaKo Feb 3, 2014 3:47 AM in response to Terence Devlin
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    Feb 3, 2014 3:47 AM in response to Terence Devlin

    Terence, thank you for the full explanation. The inside-things are getting clearer now.

    I was thinking about using Aperture or Lightroom and will go for that when have chance.

    For now, Photoshop is the requirement of the company I work for. And Nikon cameras is what the company uses.

    So, photo software issue is not the only point for switching cameras. I am upgrading to the full-frame camera anyway, and will use Nikon for working and personal needs. Having both would be an expensive pain!

    Your sugestions are wise and I will go for that when free to chose =)

     

    For now, I have a damaged iPhoto library and wonder if anything can be done to extract as much data out of it?

     

     

    The new Library doesn't have the Originals folder either.

     

    Where are you looking?  ==========> "right click" on the iPhoto library and chose to show me the package contents. Can see the folders as : Attachment, Auto Import, Database, iLifeShared, Masters, Previews, documents as Info.plist iPhotoAux.db.... and so on. No Originals.

     


  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Feb 3, 2014 6:49 AM in response to InnaKo
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    Feb 3, 2014 6:49 AM in response to InnaKo

    In some versions the Originals folder is called Masters. It's the same thing. The photos as imported from your camera.

  • by InnaKo,

    InnaKo InnaKo Feb 3, 2014 8:59 AM in response to Terence Devlin
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    Feb 3, 2014 8:59 AM in response to Terence Devlin

    Yeah, I have found those supposed-to-be-DNG-files in Masters. They are .JPG's of small size. But I still see those files as big non-format files when opened in the iPhoto....

     

    So, the story of the problem: I have exported the original CR2-Canon-raws from the iPhoto, converted them into compatible with CS4 DNG-files, delated the originals from the iPhoto and imported the converted DNG's instead. ( If that matters: I have used the same old folders inside iPhoto where had my CR2's (had a video in each folder that didn't bother to export and delate ). After importing DNG's into iPhoto, I have combined the new import event and an old folder with video in it.)

     

    And as I understand, I have damaged something somewhere (though my actions were quite simple - import and export), and there is no way back?

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Feb 3, 2014 9:18 AM in response to InnaKo
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    Feb 3, 2014 9:18 AM in response to InnaKo
    So, the story of the problem: I have exported the original CR2-Canon-raws from the iPhoto,

     

    This was using the File ==> export command - Correct?

     

     

    , delated the originals from the iPhoto

    Was this done using iPhoto? Or the finder (Hint - never use the finder to make any changes to th eiPhoto library)?

    imported the converted DNG's instead.

    Again exadctly what you did and how are critical - was this doen sing iPhot - file ==> import ?

     

    ( If that matters: I have used the same old folders inside iPhoto where had my CR2's

    This is confusing - are you speaking of events? - or are you suing teh finder to put the DNG's into the finder folders within the iPhoto libvrary? In iPhoto folders do not contain photos - folder are for organizaing and can only contain other folders or albums. To communicate using the sords correctly is critical

     

    After importing DNG's into iPhoto, I have combined the new import event and an old folder with video in it.)

    same question as above

     

    LN

  • by Old Toad,Helpful

    Old Toad Old Toad Feb 3, 2014 10:06 AM in response to InnaKo
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    Feb 3, 2014 10:06 AM in response to InnaKo

    This may be of some help to you with Photoshop and iPhoto:

     

    Using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements as Your Editor of Choice in iPhoto.

     

    1 - select Photoshop or Photoshop Elememts as your editor of choice in iPhoto's General Preference Section's under the "Edit photo:" menu.

     

    iPPSeditor.PNG

     

    2 - double click on the thumbnail in iPhoto to open it in Photoshop.  When you're finished editing click on the Save button. If you immediately get the JPEG Options window make your selection (Baseline standard seems to be the most compatible jpeg format) and click on the OK button. Your done. 

     

    3 - however, if you get the navigation window

    iPPSsave.PNG

     

    that indicates that  PS wants to save it as a PS formatted file.  You'll need to either select JPEG from the menu and save (top image) or click on the desktop in the Navigation window (bottom image) and save it to the desktop for importing as a new photo.

     

    This method will let iPhoto know that the photo has been editied and will update the thumbnail file to reflect the edit..

     

    With Photoshop Elements  the Saving File preferences should be configured as shown:

    PSE9fileprefs.PNG

     

    I also suggest the Maximize PSD File Compatabilty be set to Always.  In PSE’s General preference pane set the Color Picker to Apple as shown:

    PSE9genprefs.PNG

     

    Screenshots are from PSE 10

     

    Note 1:  to switch between iPhoto and PS or PSE as the editor of choice Control (right)-click on the thumbnail and select either Edit in iPhoto or Edit in External Editor from the contextual menu. If you use iPhoto to edit more than PSE re-select iPhoto in the iPhoto General preference pane. Then iPhoto will be the default editor and you can use the contextual menu to select PSE for your editor when desired.

     

    Note 2: editing a RAW file with either PSE or PS creates a new file which must be saved outside of iPhoto, i.e. the Desktop, and imported as a new photo into the iPhoto Library.

     

    OT

  • by InnaKo,

    InnaKo InnaKo Feb 3, 2014 12:45 PM in response to LarryHN
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    Feb 3, 2014 12:45 PM in response to LarryHN
    So, the story of the problem: I have exported the original CR2-Canon-raws from the iPhoto,

     

    This was using the File ==> export command - Correct?  ==>> Option drag

     

     

    , delated the originals from the iPhoto

    Was this done using iPhoto? Or the finder (Hint - never use the finder to make any changes to th eiPhoto library)?  ==> iPhoto

     

    imported the converted DNG's instead.

     

    Again exadctly what you did and how are critical - was this doen sing iPhot - file ==> import ?   ==> Command+A all converted files in the folder and drag them into the open window of iPhoto, the import starts autmaticaly

     

     

    ( If that matters: I have used the same old folders inside iPhoto where had my CR2's

     

    This is confusing - are you speaking of events? - or are you suing teh finder to put the DNG's into the finder folders within the iPhoto libvrary? In iPhoto folders do not contain photos - folder are for organizaing and can only contain other folders or albums. To communicate using the sords correctly is critical ==> I dont use Finder at all. By Folders in the iPhoto I do mean Events that are created by iPhoto (sorry for confusing you )

     

     

    After importing DNG's into iPhoto, I have combined the new import event and an old folder with video in it.)

     

    same question as above  ===> Combined Events.

     

     

     

    Ignorant I am and didn't know that using File menu for all the actions in iPhoto is crutial....

  • by InnaKo,

    InnaKo InnaKo Feb 3, 2014 12:59 PM in response to Old Toad
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    Feb 3, 2014 12:59 PM in response to Old Toad

    Thanks, Old Toad. Will definitelly tick all that when would solve the formats issue =}

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