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Which Server hardware to use ?

Hello all !


I'm putting together a small design studio for a client and am in need of suggestions ...

The Server will only need to run Filesharing for 6 iMacs but it will probably be hit hard with network copies knowing the kind of files and sizes involved.


Reliability is essential ...


Previously Ive used Xserves or a MacPro (2011) but Im being told that MacMini's are OK ? I beg to differ after reading numerous posts about the reliability ...


I suppose I have 3 choices ... a MacMini with dual SSDs, an iMac also with SSD or a basic MacPro ... I can attach external Thunderbolt storage for file storage and backup ...


It was so much easier when I just bought an Xserve !


Anyone with recent server installation experience or suggestions please let me know your thoughts ...


Regards

Mitch

Xserve, OS X Server

Posted on Feb 5, 2014 2:49 PM

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Posted on Feb 5, 2014 3:54 PM

I believe many of us in the forums still lament the passing of the Xserves. But alas, they are gone and the mini, provided you understand its limitations and plan for them, is actually faster and more capable in many ways than the Xserve.

First there is the green advantages. The mini consumes less power and generates less heat. Plus, it makes almost no noise. These are beneficial environmental gains. But for the environment and for the data center/office environment.


Next, there is the modern busses. If you are going Thunderbolt, this is your machine. If you have legacy storage (FC, eSATA, SCSI (gasp), then you need some break out PCI boxes to bring that stuff along.


The one thing you need to realize is that the mini (server or not) is a consumer product with a consumer warranty. AppleCare does not expedite a mini server over other products. If you have a hardware issue, you will likely be down for three days if the unit needs to be sent in. Maybe less if you walk it into an Apple store, but there is just something wrong about walking a server into an Apple store.


And finally, make sure you are implementing a good backup strategy. Library of Congress' 3-2-1 backup model is easy to remember and provides multiple levels of security.


Now, 6 systems connecting to a machine should not be taxing the system. At 1000Base, even if each of the six systems were to max out the theoretical ethernet bandwidth, your systems would get ~166MB/s per network connection. While not great, you will never hit this theoretical flooding but the oversubscription ratio remains manageable. Switched networking and the general variability of the workflow will likely never allow you to flood the unit. And the thunderbolt storage will exceed your Ethernet bandwidth.


I set up a lot of minis as servers (after all, there is really not other option 🙂) They are easy to setup, have proven to be very capable systems, and I've used them from everything from a 5 person agency, to a 400 person publisher, to Xsan controllers, to render clusters. They are actually more capable than I originally gave them credit.


R-

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Feb 5, 2014 3:54 PM in response to Mitch

I believe many of us in the forums still lament the passing of the Xserves. But alas, they are gone and the mini, provided you understand its limitations and plan for them, is actually faster and more capable in many ways than the Xserve.

First there is the green advantages. The mini consumes less power and generates less heat. Plus, it makes almost no noise. These are beneficial environmental gains. But for the environment and for the data center/office environment.


Next, there is the modern busses. If you are going Thunderbolt, this is your machine. If you have legacy storage (FC, eSATA, SCSI (gasp), then you need some break out PCI boxes to bring that stuff along.


The one thing you need to realize is that the mini (server or not) is a consumer product with a consumer warranty. AppleCare does not expedite a mini server over other products. If you have a hardware issue, you will likely be down for three days if the unit needs to be sent in. Maybe less if you walk it into an Apple store, but there is just something wrong about walking a server into an Apple store.


And finally, make sure you are implementing a good backup strategy. Library of Congress' 3-2-1 backup model is easy to remember and provides multiple levels of security.


Now, 6 systems connecting to a machine should not be taxing the system. At 1000Base, even if each of the six systems were to max out the theoretical ethernet bandwidth, your systems would get ~166MB/s per network connection. While not great, you will never hit this theoretical flooding but the oversubscription ratio remains manageable. Switched networking and the general variability of the workflow will likely never allow you to flood the unit. And the thunderbolt storage will exceed your Ethernet bandwidth.


I set up a lot of minis as servers (after all, there is really not other option 🙂) They are easy to setup, have proven to be very capable systems, and I've used them from everything from a 5 person agency, to a 400 person publisher, to Xsan controllers, to render clusters. They are actually more capable than I originally gave them credit.


R-

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Author "Mavericks Server – Foundation Services" :: Exclusively available in Apple's iBooks Store

Feb 5, 2014 4:20 PM in response to Strontium90

Thank you for your reply, you've obviously had a decent amount of experience with the Mini's !


Are you able to relate the other limitations ? The AppleCare support instance was very interesting ...


So reading your information if I was to get a MM with Dual (mirrored ? SSD's) and 16Gb ram, probably going for the i7 processor and attach a couple of TB Raid via Thunderbolt ... I'd have a pretty decent little server for not a whole lot of money ?


AND I believe that model is due for an update some time soon ... possibly ... maybe ...


Mitch

Feb 5, 2014 5:43 PM in response to Mitch

The other limits are really around legacy connectivity and corporate acceptance. I've often described Apple's server history like this. The G4 Xserve gave us a legitimate server. The G5 Xserve let us enter the data center. The Intel Xserve let us build data centers. The Mac mini Server kicked us out of all those data centers.


But corporate data centers is no longer Apple's focus (was it ever?). Small business is where the mini is targeted and this is a really good target. Consider, as you described, you can buy a Mac mini Server for $1500 (figuring a warranty, decent ram config) and a Pegasus for $3000. This gives you are pretty powerful and spacious setup for under $5000. Couple this with the swiss army knife that is OS X Server and you can pretty much do anything you can imagine. From a competition perspective, this means no CALs, no complex setup (although server is still a technical and complex beast, for most users, the required features are easily approachable), and no over buying. With the Xserve, how much of that unit sat there as an idle resource? All those cores for a file server? Sure for those of us doing Podcast Server (another lament), the cores were used. But the traditional deployment of a file server used one core. Wasted hardware.


A limitation is also the form factor and getting traditional IT folks to accept it. Without the buzz words of "dual power," "hot swap," and even "Lights out management," the mini is a low end desktop in server clothing. But the hardware is effectively the same that is in that Dell rack mount server. Intel i7 processor, Intel login board, SSD drives, low power consumption. This is a nice package in a small bundle.


Another is the sluggish 5400 rpm drives. However, since it is a server and most of your data is on external drives (usually), this is often not noticed. I actually will spec the 5400 drives for many deployments to save on cost if I know that I will not need high throughput on the internal volume (no databases, no mail, no small file transaction stuff). I will say however, that the dual drives is what will generate the heat in the unit. So if you are looking at placing this in a confined space with little ventilation, the SSD drives are likely a better option.


And finally, the last gripe I have is the lack of dual Thunderbolt. But I've been able to work around that in most cases. As you mention, perhaps this will be resolved soon.


Now, there are many advantages. Don't get me wrong. I had/have criticism of the Xserve also. I don't think we can every truly be 100% satisfied with any product. But I will say, being one storming the Apple campus with a pitch fork and torch after the Xserve announcement, I have seen the error of my ways. I am a strong supporter of the mini and the movement that Apple is unconsciously driving. We see it everywhere. Low power, better performance. Apple just ended up making a giant leap in the direction instead of baby steps.


Hope this helps. Best of luck with the deployment. You will be fine with a 6 person design shop. Heck, they can be doing nothing but HDR images and this little guy will shuffle those bits without issue. I will admit, 4k video will give it pause. But, hey, I've even done mini servers with 10gigE so, as long as you have the I/O, you are limited only by your imagination.


R-

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