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Battery Count and Cycles

Hey Friends I have a little question I need to ask.....I need to know the meaning of battery cycle and battery cycle count... I want to know the best way to prolong the life of my battery. I have 3opinions in view


1.Is it best to use the battery till it is very low before i charge it ??


2.Is it best to use the battery then before it gets low i charge it?


3.Is it best to always keep it in charged ??

And also please help me explain the meaning of battery cycle count and how i would know the level remaning.


Here is a picture of my power profile...Thanks in positive anticipation of my answer.User uploaded file

MacBook Pro, Other OS

Posted on Feb 15, 2014 8:51 AM

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Feb 15, 2014 10:46 AM in response to Mocrimz

Mocrimz wrote:


Hey Friends I have a little question I need to ask.....I need to know the meaning of battery cycle and battery cycle count... I want to know the best way to prolong the life of my battery. I have 3opinions in view


1.Is it best to use the battery till it is very low before i charge it ??


2.Is it best to use the battery then before it gets low i charge it?


3.Is it best to always keep it in charged ??

And also please help me explain the meaning of battery cycle count and how i would know the level remaning.


Some say any of the following equals one cycle:

Discharge to 0% and charge to 100%

or

Discharge to 30%, charge to 100%, discharge to 70%, charge to 100%

or

Discharge to 75% and charge to 100% 4 times


The battery in current MacBook Pros is rated to 1000 cycles. It doesn't die after 1000, that is the point where capacity starts to drop a lot. Yours is at 455 cycles, so it's about halfway through its service life.


It's OK to leave it plugged in as long as it is not constantly hot. Heat kills batteries.


Lithium-ion batteries last longest when you recharge when they are closer to full than to empty, and when you keep them cool.


For more info:

How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries

Feb 15, 2014 11:02 AM in response to Mocrimz

Apple's answer:


For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, it’s important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time.


from: http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html


If you have 400+ cycles and still get decent batery runtime, whatever you are doing is giving the battery enough exercize. Keep it up.

Feb 15, 2014 11:47 AM in response to Mocrimz

Counting charge cycles means next to nothing



Cycle counting doesnt amount to much at all except in LONG TERM.


I can, on purpose if so inclined, kill a battery in 100 cycles or less due to mistreatment


People with 100 or fewer cycles after 3 years have their Macbooks always plugged in and on charge which isnt a good thing at all. Or worse, often drain their batteries low.




Keep it plugged in when near a socket so you keep the charging cycles down on your LiPo (lithium polymer) cells / battery, but not plugged in all the time. When not being used for several hours, turn it off.


http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html

"Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time."


General rule to remember of Lithium batteries is:

Never drain them LOW & dont always/often store them HIGH


While cycle count is commonly seen to be the “miles” on your Lithium Ion pack cell in your Macbook, which they are, this distinction is not a fine line at all, and it is a big misconception to “count charge cycles”


*A person who has, for example, 300 charge cycles on their battery and is recharging at say 50-60% remaining of a 100% charge has better battery usage and care than another person who has 300 charge cycles at say 15% remaining on a 100% charge.


DoD (depth of discharge) is far more important on the wear and tear on your Macbook battery than any mere charge cycle count. *There is no set “mile” or wear from a charge cycle in general OR in specific.


As such, contrary to popular conception, counting cycles is not conclusive whatsoever, rather the amount of deep DoD on an averaged scale of its use and charging conditions.

(as a very rough analogy would be 20,000 hard miles put on a car vs. 80,000 good miles being something similar)


Amount of deep DOD (depth of discharges) matters, not charge cycles except in long term ideal treatment of a battery

meaning as per Lithium batteries 'riding' a battery harshly into the ground every 'mile' accounts for far far more wear than gently 'riding' a lithium battery many many miles.




Keep it plugged in when near a socket so you keep the charging cycles down on your LiPo (lithium polymer) cells / battery, but not plugged in all the time. When not being used for several hours, turn it off.


http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html

"Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time."


*However if you don’t plan on using it for a few hours, turn it OFF (plugged in or otherwise) ..*You don’t want your Macbook both always plugged in AND in sleep mode (When portable devices are charging and in the on or sleep position, the current that is drawn through the device is called the parasitic load and will alter the dynamics of charge cycle. Battery manufacturers advise against parasitic loading because it induces mini-cycles.)


Keeping batteries connected to a charger ensures that periodic "top-ups" do very minor but continuous damage to individual cells, hence Apples recommendation above: “Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time”, …this is because “Li-ion degrades fastest at high state-of-charge”.

This is also the same reason new Apple notebooks are packaged with 50% charges and not 100%.


LiPo (lithium polymer, same as in your Macbook) batteries do not need conditioning. However...


A lot of battery experts call the use of Lithium cells the "80% Rule" ...meaning use 80% of the charge or so, then recharge them for longer overall life.


Never let your Macbook go into shutdown and safe mode from loss of power, you can corrupt files that way, and the batteries do not like it.


The only quantified abuse seen to Lithium cells are instances when often the cells are repeatedly drained very low…. key word being "often"

Contrary to what some might say, Lithium batteries have an "ideal" break in period. First ten cycles or so, don't discharge down past 40% of the battery's capacity. Same way you don’t take a new car out and speed and rev the engine hard first 100 or so miles.


Proper treatment is still important. Just because LiPo batteries don’t need conditioning in general, does NOT mean they dont have an ideal use / recharge environment. Anything can be abused even if it doesn’t need conditioning.



From Apple on batteries:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1446

http://www.apple.com/batteries/


Storing your MacBook

If you are going to store your MacBook away for an extended period of time, keep it in a cool location (room temperature roughly 22° C or about 72° F). Make certain you have at least a 50% charge on the internal battery of your Macbook if you plan on storing it away for a few months; recharge your battery to 50% or so every six months roughly if being stored away. If you live in a humid environment, keep your Macbook stored in its zippered case to prevent infiltration of humidity on the internals of your Macbook which could lead to corrosion.


Considerations:

Your battery is subject to chemical aging even if not in use. A Lithium battery is aging as soon as its made, regardless.


In a perfect (although impractical) situation, your lithium battery is best idealized swinging back and forth between 20 and 85% SOC (state of charge) roughly.


Further still how you discharge the battery is far more important than how it is either charged or stored short term, and more important long term that cycle counts.


Ultimately counting charge cycles is of little importance. Abuse in discharging (foremost), charging, and storing the battery and how it affects battery chemistry is important and not the ‘odometer’ reading, or cycle counts on the battery.


Everything boils down to battery chemistry long term, and not an arbitrary number, or cycle count.


Keep your macbook plugged in when near a socket since in the near end of long-term life, this is beneficial to the battery.





General consideration of your MacBook battery

Contrary to popular myths about notebook batteries, there is protection circuitry in your Macbook and therefore you cannot ‘overcharge’ your notebook when plugged in and already fully charged.

However if you do not plan on using your notebook for several hours, turn it off (plugged in or otherwise), since you do not want your Macbook ‘both always plugged in and in sleep mode’.

A lot of battery experts call the use of Lithium-Ion cells the "80% Rule", meaning use 80% of the full charge or so, then recharge them for longer overall life. The only quantified damage done in the use of Lithium Ion batteries are instances where the internal notebook battery is “often drained very low”, this is bad general use of your notebook battery.

A person who has, for example, 300 charge cycles on their battery and is recharging at say 40% remaining of a 100% charge has a better battery condition state than, say, another person who has 300 charge cycles on their battery and is recharging at say 10-15% remaining on a 100% charge. DoD (depth of discharge) is much more important on the wear and tear on your Macbook’s battery than the count of charge cycles. There is no set “mile” or wear from a charge cycle in specific. Frequent high depth of discharge rates (draining the battery very low) on a Lithium battery will hasten the lowering of maximum battery capacity.


All batteries in any device are a consumable meant to be replaced eventually after much time, even under perfect use conditions.



➕If the massive amount of data that exists on lithium batteries were to be condensed into a simplex, helpful, and memorable bit of information it would be:


1. While realistically a bit impractical during normal everyday use, a lithium battery's longevity and its chemistry's health is most happy swinging back and forth between 20% and 85% charge roughly.


2. Do not purposefully drain your battery very low (10% and less), and do not keep them charged often or always high (100%).


3. Lithium batteries do not like the following:

A: Deep discharges, as meaning roughly 10% or less on a frequent basis.

B: Rapid discharges as referring to energy intensive gaming on battery on a frequent basis (in which case while gaming, if possible, do same on power rather than battery). This is a minor consideration.

C: Constant inflation, as meaning always or most often on charge, and certainly not both in sleep mode and on charge always or often.


Peace 😊

Feb 15, 2014 11:58 AM in response to Network 23

Thank You ...This means my battery is like half new right ?? so are you saying i should be charging my batteries when they are still full and i should not let them go down a bit before i charge them??

Because You said -- "It's OK to leave it plugged in as long as it is not constantly hot. Heat kills batteries"...thank you

Feb 15, 2014 12:09 PM in response to Mocrimz

1. While realistically a bit impractical during normal everyday use, a lithium battery's longevity and its chemistry's health is most happy swinging back and forth between 20% and 85% charge roughly.




Keeping batteries connected to a charger often / all the time ensures that periodic "top-ups" do very minor but continuous damage to individual cells,


hence Apples recommendation above: “Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time”,


…this is because “Li-ion degrades fastest at high state-of-charge” from chemistry changes on the anode side of the battery

This is also the same reason new Apple notebooks are packaged with 50% charges and not 100%.

Feb 16, 2014 2:15 PM in response to Mocrimz

Mocrimz wrote:


Thank You ...This means my battery is like half new right ?? so are you saying i should be charging my batteries when they are still full and i should not let them go down a bit before i charge them??

Because You said -- "It's OK to leave it plugged in as long as it is not constantly hot. Heat kills batteries"...thank you

Well, you shouldn't take it from me, read the article I linked to in my earlier post. It has graphs that illustrate the effects of cycling, charge level, and heat on battery longevity.


Your battery is only very approximately "half new" because cycle count is not the only factor in battery life. As Plotinus was talking about it also depends on the other factors of how you are treating it.


Based on the evidence, the best case scenario is similar to what Plotinus mentioned, with the charge level varying in the middle, not close to completely full or empty. However, OS X has no tools or options to make this easy. Because of this, I personally just leave it plugged in until I need to go out and use it away from an outlet. Then, when I am near an outlet, I plug in. This has worked out very well for me because after 2 years and 308 cycles, my battery health reads between 94% and 96%. I really couldn't ask for better battery performance after owning it so long.

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