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Q: Virus protection for iMac?

Would it be useful to install internet security on my iMac? Norton, for example, has a version of their internet security specifically for Mac. This offers for one thing safe web, warning you against opening an unsafe site. As well it has a firewall to stop intruders. Is this useful, or is this really a Windows thing?

Could installing internet security harm my Mac?

iMac, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Feb 16, 2014 12:56 PM

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  • by jmahone,

    jmahone jmahone Feb 16, 2014 1:24 PM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 16, 2014 1:24 PM in response to BertingAP

    Hi There,

     

    This is an article for why you do not need virus protection:

     

    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/features/security/3418367/do-apple-macs-need-antiviru s-os-x-security-explained/

     

    It will not harm your computer if you do get a well known brand (e.g. Norton), it will give it that extra layer of protection.

    If you are going to get virus protection, stick with a well known brand (e.g. Norton, Avast)

     

    Firewalls are always best on (in my opinion), you can enable it from Settings.

     

    Good Luck with your iMac

  • by dominic23,

    dominic23 dominic23 Feb 16, 2014 1:29 PM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 16, 2014 1:29 PM in response to BertingAP

    BertingAP wrote:

     

    Is this useful, or is this really a Windows thing?

    Yes. It is a Windows thing.

     

     

    Could installing internet security harm my Mac?

     

    Will not help. May create problems.

     

     

    Install all System, Applications and Security updates released by Apple.

     

    For more on this:

     

    http://www.thesafemac.com/mmg/


  • by Klaus1,

    Klaus1 Klaus1 Feb 16, 2014 3:09 PM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 16, 2014 3:09 PM in response to BertingAP

    Please completely disregard the eroneous and potentially dangerous advice from jmahone.

     

    On no account install Norton or Avast - both can seriously harm your Mac.

  • by David M Brewer,

    David M Brewer David M Brewer Feb 16, 2014 3:53 PM in response to jmahone
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    Feb 16, 2014 3:53 PM in response to jmahone

    A firewall won't stop a computer from getting a virus.

  • by jmahone,

    jmahone jmahone Feb 17, 2014 12:53 AM in response to Klaus1
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    Feb 17, 2014 12:53 AM in response to Klaus1

    I disregard my comment,

     

    I will now un-install Avast from my computer, as I thought that is what protected my computer.

     

    Sorry

  • by seventy one,

    seventy one seventy one Feb 17, 2014 1:18 AM in response to jmahone
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    Feb 17, 2014 1:18 AM in response to jmahone

    It is to be hoped you will also uninstall Norton (or symantec) if you have them.   For your own safety.

  • by Linc Davis,Solvedanswer

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Feb 17, 2014 6:49 AM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 17, 2014 6:49 AM in response to BertingAP
    1. This is a comment on what you should and should not do to protect yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the Internet. It does not apply to software, such as keystroke loggers, that may be installed deliberately by an intruder who has hands-on access to your computer, or who has been able to log in to it remotely. That threat is in a different category, and there's no easy way to defend against it. If you have reason to suspect that you're the target of such an attack, you need expert help.
      
    If you find this comment too long or too technical, read only sections 5, 6, and 10.
      
    OS X now implements three layers of built-in protection specifically against malware, not counting runtime protections such as execute disable, sandboxing, system library randomization, and address space layout randomization that may also guard against other kinds of exploits.

    2. All versions of OS X since 10.6.7 have been able to detect known Mac malware in downloaded files, and to block insecure web plugins. This feature is transparent to the user. Internally Apple calls it "XProtect."
    The malware recognition database used by XProtect is automatically updated; however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at least a day ahead of the defenders.
       
    The following caveats apply to XProtect:
    • It can be bypassed by some third-party networking software, such as BitTorrent clients and Java applets.
    • It only applies to software downloaded from the network. Software installed from a CD or other media is not checked.
    As new versions of OS X are released, it's not clear whether Apple will indefinitely continue to maintain the XProtect database of older versions such as 10.6. The security of obsolete system versions may eventually be degraded. Security updates to the code of obsolete systems will stop being released at some point, and that may leave them open to other kinds of attack besides malware.
      
    3. Starting with OS X 10.7.5, there has been a second layer of built-in malware protection, designated "Gatekeeper" by Apple. By default, applications and Installer packages downloaded from the network will only run if they're digitally signed by a developer with a certificate issued by Apple. Software certified in this way hasn't necessarily been tested by Apple, but you can be reasonably sure that it hasn't been modified by anyone other than the developer. His identity is known to Apple, so he could be held legally responsible if he distributed malware. That may not mean much if the developer lives in a country with a weak legal system (see below.)
       
    Gatekeeper doesn't depend on a database of known malware. It has, however, the same limitations as XProtect, and in addition the following:
    • It can easily be disabled or overridden by the user.
    • A malware attacker could get control of a code-signing certificate under false pretenses, or could simply ignore the consequences of distributing codesigned malware.
    • An App Store developer could find a way to bypass Apple's oversight, or the oversight could fail due to human error.
    For the reasons given above, App Store products, and other applications recognized by Gatekeeper as signed, are safer than others, but they can't be considered absolutely safe. "Sandboxed" applications may prompt for access to private data, such as your contacts, or for access to the network. Think before granting that access. Sandboxing security is based on user input. Never click through any request for authorization without thinking.
           
    4. Starting with OS X 10.8.3, a third layer of protection has been added: a "Malware Removal Tool" (MRT). MRT runs automatically in the background when you update the OS. It checks for, and removes, malware that may have evaded the other protections via a Java exploit (see below.) MRT also runs when you install or update the Apple-supplied Java runtime (but not the Oracle runtime.) Like XProtect, MRT is effective against known threats, but not against unknown ones. It notifies you if it finds malware, but otherwise there's no user interface to MRT.
     
    5. The built-in security features of OS X reduce the risk of malware attack, but they're not absolute protection. The first and best line of defense is always going to be your own intelligence. With the possible exception of Java exploits, all known malware circulating on the Internet that affects a fully-updated installation of OS X 10.6 or later takes the form of so-called "Trojan horses," which can only have an effect if the victim is duped into running them. The threat therefore amounts to a battle of wits between you and Internet criminals. If you're smarter than they think you are, you'll win. That means, in practice, that you always stay within a safe harbor of computing practices. How do you know when you're leaving the safe harbor? Below are some red flags that indicate danger.
      
    Software from an untrustworthy source
    • Software of any kind is distributed via BitTorrent or Usenet.
    • Software with a corporate brand, such as Adobe Flash Player, doesn't come directly from the developer’s website.
    • Rogue websites such as Softonic and CNET Download distribute free applications that have been packaged in a superfluous "installer."
    • The software is advertised by means of spam or intrusive web popups.
    Software that is plainly illegal or does something illegal
    • Software that you would otherwise have to pay for is "cracked" or "free."
    • An application helps you to infringe copyright, for instance by circumventing the copy protection on commercial software, or saving streamed media for reuse without permission.
    Conditional or unsolicited offers from strangers
    • A telephone caller or a web page tells you that you have a “virus” and offers to help you remove it. (Some reputable websites did legitimately warn visitors who were infected with the "DNSChanger" malware. That exception to this rule no longer applies.)
    • A web site offers free content such as video or music, but to use it you must install a “codec,” “plug-in,” "player," "downloader," "extractor," or “certificate” that comes from that same site, or an unknown one.
    • You win a prize in a contest you never entered.
    • Someone on a message board such as this one is eager to help you, but only if you download an application of his choosing.
    • A "FREE WI-FI !!!" network advertises itself in a public place such as an airport, but is not provided by the management.
    Unexpected events
    • You open what looks like a document and get an alert that it's "an application downloaded from the Internet." Click Cancel and delete the file or message.
    • An application does something inexplicable, such as asking for permission to access your contacts, your location, or the Internet for no obvious reason.
    • Software is attached to email that you didn't request, even if it comes (or seems to come) from someone you trust.
    I don't say that leaving the safe harbor just once will necessarily result in disaster, but making a habit of it will weaken your defenses against malware attack. Any of the above scenarios should, at the very least, make you uncomfortable.
      
    6. Java on the Web (not to be confused with JavaScript, to which it's not related, despite the similarity of the names) is a weak point in the security of any system. Java is, among other things, a platform for running complex applications in a web page, on the client. That was always a bad idea, and Java's developers have proven themselves incapable of implementing it without also creating a portal for malware to enter. Past Java exploits are the closest thing there has ever been to a Windows-style virus affecting OS X. Merely loading a page with malicious Java content could be harmful.
      
    Fortunately, client-side Java on the Web is obsolete and mostly extinct. Only a few outmoded sites still use it. Try to hasten the process of extinction by avoiding those sites, if you have a choice. Forget about playing games or other non-essential uses of Java.
       
    Java is not included in OS X 10.7 and later. Discrete Java installers are distributed by Apple and by Oracle (the developer of Java.) Don't use either one unless you need it. Most people don't. If Java is installed, disable itnot JavaScript — in your browsers.
       
    Regardless of version, experience has shown that Java on the Web can't be trusted. If you must use a Java applet for a task on a specific site, enable Java only for that site in Safari. Never enable Java for a public website that carries third-party advertising. Use it only on well-known, login-protected, secure websites without ads. In Safari 6 or later, you'll see a lock icon in the address bar with the abbreviation "https" when visiting a secure site.

    Stay within the safe harbor, and you’ll be as safe from malware as you can practically be. The rest of this comment concerns what you should not do to protect yourself.

    7. Never install any commercial "anti-virus" or "Internet security" products for the Mac, as they all do more harm than good, if they do any good at all. If you need to be able to detect Windows malware in your files, use one of the free security apps in the Mac App Store — nothing else.
      
    Why shouldn't you use commercial "anti-virus" products?
    • To recognize malware, the software depends on a database of known threats, which is always at least a day out of date. New threats are emerging on a daily basis. Research has shown that most successful attacks are "zero-day" — that is, previously unknown. Recognition-based malware scanners do not defend against such attacks.
    • Their design is predicated on the nonexistent threat that malware may be injected at any time, anywhere in the file system. Malware is downloaded from the network; it doesn't materialize from nowhere.
    • In order to meet that nonexistent threat, the software modifies or duplicates low-level functions of the operating system, which is a waste of resources and a common cause of instability, bugs, and poor performance.
    • By modifying the operating system, the software itself may create weaknesses that could be exploited by malware attackers.
    8. An anti-malware product from the App Store, such as "ClamXav," has the same drawback as the commercial suites of being always out of date, but it does not inject code into the operating system. That doesn't mean it's entirely harmless. It may report email messages that have "phishing" links in the body, or Windows malware in attachments, as infected files, and offer to delete or move them. Doing so will corrupt the Mail database. The messages should be deleted from within the Mail application.
        
    An anti-virus app is not needed, and should not be relied upon, for protection against OS X malware. It's useful only for detecting Windows malware, and even for that use it's not completely effective. Windows malware can't harm you directly (unless, of course, you use Windows.) Just don't pass it on to anyone else.
        
    A Windows malware attachment in email is usually easy to recognize. The file name will often be targeted at people who aren't very bright; for example:
      
    ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!!!!!!!H0TBABEZ4U!!!!!!!.AVI♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.exe
       
    Anti-virus software may be able to tell you which particular trojan it is, but do you really care? In practice, there's seldom a reason to use the software unless an institutional policy requires it. Windows malware is so widespread that you should assume it's in every unknown email attachment until proven otherwise.
      
    The ClamXav developer won't try to "upsell" you to a paid version of the product. Other developers may do that. Don't be upsold. For one thing, you should not pay to protect Windows users from the consequences of their choice of computing platform. For another, a paid upgrade from a free app will probably have all the disadvantages mentioned in section 7.
      
    9. It seems to be a common belief that the built-in Application Firewall acts as a barrier to infection, or prevents malware from functioning. It does neither. It blocks inbound connections to certain network services you're running, such as file sharing. It's disabled by default and you should leave it that way if you're behind a router on a private home or office network. Activate it only when you're on an untrusted network, for instance a public Wi-Fi hotspot, where you don't want to provide services. Disable any services you don't use in the Sharing preference pane. All are disabled by default.
        
    10. As a Mac user you don't have to live in fear that your computer may be infected every time you install software, read email, or visit a web page. But neither should you assume that you will always be safe from exploitation, no matter what you do. The greatest harm done by security software is precisely its selling point: it makes people feel safe. They may then feel safe enough to take risks from which the software doesn't protect them. "Hmmmm, this torrent is a crack of that new game I want. I think I'll download it. It could be a trojan, but the antivirus will warn me if it is." Then they wonder why their Mac is so slow all of a sudden. It's slow because it's running flat out mining bitcoins for a hacker who has already sold their credit card number and banking passwords to a criminal gang. Maybe a week later the antivirus does warn them, but what good does that do?
        
    Nothing can lessen the need for safe computing practices.
  • by MadMacs0,Helpful

    MadMacs0 MadMacs0 Feb 17, 2014 2:21 PM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 17, 2014 2:21 PM in response to BertingAP

    A couple of things I don't see mentioned here yet.

    BertingAP wrote:

     

    Norton, for example, has a version of their internet security specifically for Mac. This offers for one thing safe web, warning you against opening an unsafe site.

    That capability is built into Safari (and several other browsers) as long as you have Safari Preferences->Security "Fraudulent sites: Warn when visiting a fraudulent website" checked.

    As well it has a firewall to stop intruders.

    Stopping intruders is adequately covered, usually by your router at home and by Apple's built-in firewall (System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Firewall tab) when you are on a public network. See Do I need a firewall?.

  • by Klaus1,Helpful

    Klaus1 Klaus1 Feb 17, 2014 3:19 PM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 17, 2014 3:19 PM in response to BertingAP

    Norton Antivirus (made by Symantec) has a very long and illustrious reputation for mangling Mac OS X systems, sometimes to the point where a complete reinstall is necessary. Among other things, it installs kernel extensions which are known to cause kernel panics and system freezes; it contains known and documented bugs which can silently corrupt Adobe Photoshop and Adobe InDesign files, destroy a user's ability to authenticate as an administrator, and (on PPC systems) can cause Classic to stop functioning; and Symantec has on at least two occasions now released flawed .dat file updates which erroneously report certain critical Mac OS X files as "viruses." (Deleting these "viruses" causes damage to the system that in some cases renders it unbootable.)

     

    Norton Removal Tool (Symantec Uninstaller):

    http://www.symantec.com/business/support/indexpage=content&id=TECH103489&locale= en_US

  • by BertingAP,

    BertingAP BertingAP Feb 17, 2014 5:59 PM in response to Klaus1
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    Feb 17, 2014 5:59 PM in response to Klaus1

    Obviously I am not going to install Norton or any other internet security suite! The odd thing is that they actually have NIS specifically for Mac, which on paper sounds great. I almost got sucked in to installing the Norton, and destroying my Mac!

  • by BertingAP,

    BertingAP BertingAP Feb 17, 2014 6:02 PM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 17, 2014 6:02 PM in response to BertingAP

    Thanks all for your help. The strongly pushed Norton Internet Security Suite, is a marketing ploy; sadly!

  • by BertingAP,

    BertingAP BertingAP Feb 17, 2014 7:24 PM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 17, 2014 7:24 PM in response to BertingAP

    I don't know how you feel about Norton Online Backup, but I have been using it backup my Mac for a while, without problem.

  • by MichelPM,

    MichelPM MichelPM Feb 17, 2014 8:50 PM in response to BertingAP
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    Feb 17, 2014 8:50 PM in response to BertingAP

    I would never just rely on a backup that is stored on remote servers over the Internet.

    This is NOT a good backup strategy.

    A good backup strategy is to always have a local backup stored on Good quality external hard drive/s.

     

    One way is to use OS X's own Time Machine app to backup data to an an external hard drive.

    I am NOT a big fan of Time Machine, but it is fairly straight forward and easy to use.

     

    Another method is the data cloning method.

    With data clones, you can make exact copies of your Mac's internal hard drive that can, also, be used as another external, bootable source , if you start having Mac issues.

    There are two data cloning apps to chose from. Both are good at what they do.

    There is Carbon Copy Cloner. The other is Super Duper.

     

    IMO, cloned data copies make the best data backups than OS X's Time Machine, but having more than one external hard drive and more than one backup strategy is better than just one.

    I use only the data cloning method, but have data cloned to three external FW800 connected hard drives.

     

    Having bootable backups means that I always have a way to either boot my Mac to an external drive, if something goes wrong AND if something goes wrong with the data on my Mac's internal drive, I can clone back a good cloned copy back to my Mac's hard drive and be operational, again in a matter of short time frame.

  • by BertingAP,

    BertingAP BertingAP Feb 17, 2014 8:53 PM in response to MichelPM
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    Feb 17, 2014 8:53 PM in response to MichelPM

    I agree, and use my external hard drive to backup. However as an added security in case of fire etc I use an online backup as well.