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Why do I have to start my MacPro twice everyday?

I've had my MacPro for a couple opf years now but just recently it stopped booting up on the first try. I just get a white screen on one of my two minitors and never see the Apple logo. I have to pwer down from the front case button, wait a few seconds, and then push the button again. The second time it always starts up and I see the Apple logo in just a few seconds. I've checked all the external and intrernal drives with "repair" and "repair permissions" and there don't seem to be any issues there. I know it's hard on the drives to have to power down just after they've started up, and I'm sure this precedure will shorthen the life of all my components, but I just can't figure out why it started doing this all of a sudden. Any ideas to try? MacPro 3,1 16gigs ram running OSX10.8.3 mainly used for ProTools 10HD.

iPad 2, iOS 5.0.1

Posted on Feb 18, 2014 1:55 PM

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Feb 18, 2014 1:59 PM in response to Steve Garman

Reinstall Lion, Mountain Lion, or Mavericks without erasing drive


Boot to the Recovery HD:


Restart the computer and after the chime press and hold down the COMMAND and R keys until the menu screen appears. Alternatively, restart the computer and after the chime press and hold down the OPTION key until the boot manager screen appears. Select the Recovery HD and click on the downward pointing arrow button.


Repair


When the recovery menu appears select Disk Utility. After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported then click on the Repair Permissions button. When the process is completed, then quit DU and return to the main menu.


Reinstall Mountain Lion or Mavericks


OS X Mavericks- Reinstall OS X

OS X Mountain Lion- Reinstall OS X

OS X Lion- Reinstall Mac OS X


Note: You will need an active Internet connection. I suggest using Ethernet

if possible because it is three times faster than wireless.

Feb 18, 2014 5:17 PM in response to Steve Garman

Take each of these steps that you haven't already tried. Stop when the problem is resolved.

Step 1

The first step in dealing with a startup failure is to secure the data. If you want to preserve the contents of the startup drive, and you don't already have at least one current backup, you must try to back up now, before you do anything else. It may or may not be possible. If you don't care about the data that has changed since the last backup, you can skip this step.

There are several ways to back up a Mac that is unable to start. You need an external hard drive to hold the backup data.

a. Start up from the Recovery partition, or from a local Time Machine backup volume (option key at startup.) When the OS X Utilities screen appears, launch Disk Utility and follow the instructions in this support article, under “Instructions for backing up to an external hard disk via Disk Utility.”

b. If you have access to a working Mac, and both it and the non-working Mac have FireWire or Thunderbolt ports, start the non-working Mac in target disk mode. Use the working Mac to copy the data to another drive. This technique won't work with USB, Ethernet, Wi-Fi, or Bluetooth.

c. If the internal drive of the non-working Mac is user-replaceable, remove it and mount it in an external enclosure or drive dock. Use another Mac to copy the data.

Step 2

If the startup process stops at a blank gray screen with no Apple logo or spinning "daisy wheel," then the startup volume may be full. If you had previously seen warnings of low disk space, this is almost certainly the case. You might be able to start up in safe mode even though you can't start up normally. Otherwise, start up from an external drive, or else use either of the techniques in Steps 1b and 1c to mount the internal drive and delete some files. According to Apple documentation, you need at least 9 GB of available space on the startup volume (as shown in the Finder Info window) for normal operation.

Step 3

Sometimes a startup failure can be resolved by resetting the NVRAM.

Step 4

If you use a wireless keyboard, trackpad, or mouse, replace or recharge the batteries. The battery level shown in the Bluetooth menu item may not be accurate.

Step 5

If there's a built-in optical drive, a disc may be stuck in it. Follow these instructions to eject it.

Step 6

Press and hold the power button until the power shuts off. Disconnect all wired peripherals except those needed to start up, and remove all aftermarket expansion cards. Use a different keyboard and/or mouse, if those devices are wired. If you can start up now, one of the devices you disconnected, or a combination of them, is causing the problem. Finding out which one is a process of elimination.

Step 7

If you've started from an external storage device, make sure that the internal startup volume is selected in the Startup Disk pane of System Preferences.

Start up in safe mode. Note: If FileVault is enabled, or if a firmware password is set, or if the startup volume is a Fusion Drive or a software RAID, you can’t do this. Post for further instructions.

Safe mode is much slower to start and run than normal, and some things won’t work at all, including wireless networking on certain Macs.

The login screen appears even if you usually log in automatically. You must know the login password in order to log in. If you’ve forgotten the password, you will need to reset it before you begin.

When you start up in safe mode, it's normal to see a dark gray progress bar on a light gray background. If the progress bar gets stuck for more than a few minutes, or if the system shuts down automatically while the progress bar is displayed, the startup volume is corrupt and the drive is probably malfunctioning. In that case, go to Step 10. If you ever have another problem with the drive, replace it immediately.


If you can start and log in in safe mode, empty the Trash, and then open the Finder Info window on the startup volume ("Macintosh HD," unless you gave it a different name.) Check that you have at least 9 GB of available space, as shown in the window. If you don't, copy as many files as necessary to another volume (not another folder on the same volume) and delete the originals. Deletion isn't complete until you empty the Trash again. Do this until the available space is more than 9 GB. Then restart as usual (i.e., not in safe mode.)


If the startup process hangs again, the problem is likely caused by a third-party system modification that you installed. Post for further instructions.

Step 8


Launch Disk Utility in Recovery mode (see Step 1.) Select the startup volume, then run Repair Disk. If any problems are found, repeat until clear. If Disk Utility reports that the volume can't be repaired, the drive has malfunctioned and should be replaced. You might choose to tolerate one such malfunction in the life of the drive. In that case, erase the volume and restore from a backup. If the same thing ever happens again, replace the drive immediately.


This is one of the rare situations in which you should also run Repair Permissions, ignoring the false warnings it may produce. Look for the line "Permissions repair complete" at the end of the output. Then restart as usual.

Step 9

Reinstall the OS. If the Mac was upgraded from an older version of OS X, you’ll need the Apple ID and password you used to upgrade.

Step 10

Do as in Step 9, but this time erase the startup volume in Disk Utility before installing. The system should automatically restart into the Setup Assistant. Follow the prompts to transfer the data from a Time Machine or other backup.

Step 11


This step applies only to models that have a logic-board ("PRAM") battery: all Mac Pro's and some others (not current models.) Both desktop and portable Macs used to have such a battery. The logic-board battery, if there is one, is separate from the main battery of a portable. A dead logic-board battery can cause a startup failure. Typically the failure will be preceded by loss of the settings for the startup disk and system clock. See the user manual for replacement instructions. You may have to take the machine to a service provider to have the battery replaced.

Step 12


If you get this far, you're probably dealing with a hardware fault. Make a "Genius" appointment at an Apple Store, or go to another authorized service provider.

Mar 27, 2014 3:22 PM in response to Linc Davis

Linc, Thanks for your help. I did most of what you suggested but nothing changed. I bought a new system drive and used carbon copy to clone my system drive.


This resulted in the same cure as the other cures I tried. It restarts correctly and I see the apple within 3 or 4 seconds, however, the next time I shut down and start again, it's the same old thing--just a white screen and nothing until I power this down holding the power switch in for 4 sec. and then powering up again. The second time I see the apple within 3 or 4 sec.


Each try I've run disc untility "repair" and "repair permissions" and it always does repair permissions. After doing this and powerinig down, a restart will work correctly producing the apple in proper time, but then never again without a second power down and back up.


Also, each time I repair permissions on either the old or the new system drive, it has to make the very same permission repair.


Here is what it says:


"Library/InternetPlug-Ins/Java4AppletPlugin.plugin"; should be lrwxr-xr-x; they are drwxr-xr-x.


Repaired "Library/InternetPlugIns/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin."


Permissions repair complete.


Then if I restart the computer, remember it works right the first time, but not the second or subsequent times.


So I run repair permissions again and get exactly the same message as above.


So, if it did repair it, the act of starting it again somehow creates the error again, and then it won't start correctly on the first try until I repair permissions again. Then it will start right once, but not a second time and repair permissions will produce the same error and repair once again exactly the same.


Alll this also happened on the first system drive exactly the same scenario.


I have to feel that this Java Applet Plugin is the cause. How can I get rid of it? I think it might solve my problem.


Thanks!

Mar 27, 2014 7:59 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Yes, I ruujn repair but it never finds anything wrong. Everything checks out OK onlt Repair Permissions finds anything abd it's always the very same error that it supposedly repairs and I think it does repair it because it works right on the first reboot after repairing permissions,, but then subsequent restarts take two times again and when I repair persmissions I get exactly the same errors being repaired again (listed in most recent post by me). I think the Java Applet is causing this but I don't know how to remove it.


Earlier here they said this means your hard drive is going bad, backup quickly and replace it. I did that and the new hard drive does exactly the same thing with the same error in "repair permissions." The palin "repair" always checks out OK.

Mar 27, 2014 8:56 PM in response to Steve Garman

If plain ( Repair Disk ) runs but does not find anything to repair, that's good.


Repair permissions will always find the same things. You can ignore all those messages unless they appear in RED.


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At step 9, where is suggests you re-Install Mac OS X. Now would be a good time to try that, either on your original drive or on the clone you made. This will replace any parts of Mac OS X that are damaged. By design, it does not remove your Applications or User files, but it is always better to have a backup in case something screws up.

Jan 17, 2016 2:26 PM in response to Steve Garman

Hi Steve,


Did you ever resolve this issue. I assume that you did since it's over a year since it started. My Mac pro 3.1 has started doing exactly the the same as yours over the last month and i've tried just about everything i know to fix it but sadly to no avail. Im concerned i might be damaging my drives due to the amount of restarts that i am doing.

Any ideas would be much appreciated.


Regards.... Martin

Jan 17, 2016 3:37 PM in response to If Only...

Mine started working right one day and started on the first try for about 3 months, now it's gone back to having to start it twice. I've upgraded the OS to Yosemite and keep my drives cleaned off as much as I can but it's taking two tries again. At least I can depend on that. When I shut it down from the first try, I always wait until the fan stops spinning, you can see it stop through the mesh grill, and then restart hoping that won't tax the power supply as much. It's very strange but I guess I can live with it.

Jan 18, 2016 1:17 PM in response to Steve Garman

Hi Steve,

Cheers for the quick reply. I was hoping you had solved the issue but sadly we are both in the same boat with our macs. I have pulled all my drives out bar one and they are laying on the table in front of me. The mac is working perfectly now but it far too early to say the cause is a drive issue.

I have had some info regarding firmware but it's all guesswork at the moment. I will test this over the next week and if anything comes of it i will drop you a line.

I suspect it is a drive recognition problem but time will tell.


Regards

Martin.

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