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Data roaming charges incurred even when turned off??

I am wondering if anyone has had a similar problem lately and what, if anything, apple is prepared to do? I scanned the boards here a bit and the first instance of this that I saw was in 2010 so surely in the last 4 years someone has looked into it?


We went to the US from Canada for 10 days. Ensured that Data Roaming was off on phones. Now as an apple user, I am accustomed to the user friendly setup. Generally if the button says 'I Do this please tap here' I expect that when I tap it that it will actually do that.


I have just found out our data roaming bill from our trip is up an extra $400 from data roaming charges. If I turned data Roaming off, why is my phone allowing data usage when roaming in another network?? For example, when the local hotel wifi cut out the new iphone 5's we just got a month ago assuming everything works fine on them, decided to continue whatever we were doing but over the data network. Why is it defaulting to data when roaming is turned off? Also eh is the phone allowing things like location services to use data while roaming, when again roamjng is off?


I don't get it. If turning off data roaming doesn't actually turn OFF data roaming why is there a data roaming setting implying that it will do so? Why not just say to turn off all cellular data? OH WAIT! That doesn't work EITHER! Apparently even with both cellular data and data roaming turned off, location services and other apps can STILL access data. Even Airplane mode doesn't technically turn off all data use.


What's the freaking point of having settings that 'turn off' features if they don't actually turn them off completely? Apparently with all data off we are still supposed to be able to send and receive texts. I have not found that to work at all either.


Just wondering is there any point to even having an iphone on at all while traveling internationally? I mean I assumed turning on airplane mode essentially your phone becomes a glorified iPod.


Anyone??

iPhone 4, iOS 5.0.1

Posted on Mar 4, 2014 7:54 AM

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Posted on Dec 28, 2015 5:32 PM

The answer may be found in a sneaky little addition to IOS 9 to be found under settings/cellular and then scroll all the way down to the bottom. It's called Wi-Fi Assist and the default after upgrading is on!! That means that whenever the phone thinks that Wi-Fi connectivity is poor, it will automatically use cellular data! So make sure it's off.

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Dec 28, 2015 5:32 PM in response to chuckdvc

The answer may be found in a sneaky little addition to IOS 9 to be found under settings/cellular and then scroll all the way down to the bottom. It's called Wi-Fi Assist and the default after upgrading is on!! That means that whenever the phone thinks that Wi-Fi connectivity is poor, it will automatically use cellular data! So make sure it's off.

Jul 16, 2017 7:05 PM in response to fhebig

I turn data roaming off every time I travel overseas. Last trip did the same but this time I was charged 0.3 cents for 1KByte of data that appears to be one the exact hour. i.e 9am, 10am 1p, 2pm 4pm etc.

I travel to three countries and this charge was processed almost on the hour every hour. sometimes 0.6 cents for 2 KByte.

WHY?

May 31, 2017 8:37 AM in response to fhebig

The answer:

Iphones have several extra features that can mess-up your data usage, if you are not aware of them.

Airplane mode does block you from receiving any signals and sending any signals, which would make additional data usage on airplane mode impossible if IPhone had not also decided to add wifi-data assist which over-rides airplane mode and your phone will start using data, to speed up wifi.

Ontop of that iPhones also do daily backups just after midnight, backing up all of your messages, and mms messages, and unfortunately iPhones refuse to use wifi for this, they will ONLY do this on mobile data.

Aug 17, 2017 7:45 AM in response to The Douft

only on mobile data? you're joking about that, right? sarcasm, maybe? I don't have roaming charges but I have tons of data owerages (like $1500 worth over the last 8 months). in june I put my ipad in airplane mode and used it exclusively on wifi as an experiment. my carrier said I still used 4.8gb of data. I don't [expletive] think so! yes, my wi-fi assist is off. thankfully I discovered that little buggen of a feature on day one, and turned it off.

Nov 6, 2017 2:56 AM in response to chaner2015

just returned again from overseas again with new iphone 7 plus and this time switched off data roaming. but telstra now have this $10 international plan if switched on and they charge if i make just one call or do data. so there are days i do not used the phone but this one hour data charge triggers this pack on. Now instead of cents per day I pay $10 which means I have to switch this feature off.

why do i get data being charge per hour when when mobile data is switched off.

The Telstra shop boys could see this on my bill but had no explanation.

Mar 4, 2014 12:37 PM in response to AmishCake

Yes, that is the whole point. My carrier says that they have had this problem with other iphone users. They say that turning Data Roaming off doesn't actually turn it off and turning cellular data off won't do it either, you actually, in addition to that have to go into location services and turn those off too, as they've had people who's location services have used data even with cellular data and Data roaming turned off. They said it's a problem with the i-phone. Sometimes apps running in the background will STILL access and use roaming data even with roaming turned off. I say bull tweet. If a setting says "Turning this off will ensure you don't incurr data roaming charges" and I turn it off it shoudl actually be off.


I talked to apple support and the girl agreed that it's true the setting doesn't actually turn roaming capabilities off. I cry foul play. Who invents a setting that doesn't freaking work?


Carrier blames apple, apple says there's nothing they can do...could be a glitch in the software. OMG. They cant even take responsibility for it.

Apr 7, 2014 8:21 AM in response to fhebig

I experienced the same situation and when I called Bell I was told that turning "cellular data" off doesn't really turn it off. We were told that our phone will reset to "data on" even by charging it. I doubt that that is the case, however, who am I to doubt what Bell says?? I haven't spoken with Apple and, considering what you were told, it seems pointless to. Our bill was in excess of $800 for just over a month. We have now purchased a data/phone plan so the winner once again is Bell.

Jul 13, 2014 6:43 PM in response to DeMentid Apps

It is a known issue that even when "Cellular data" & "Data roaming" are both OFF, the user may still incur some data roaming charges.


I was advised by the local telco here (Singapore) to turn off data roaming "at the network level". For Singtel, I can use the command *101# to toggle "network level data roaming" when overseas without charge.

Aug 29, 2014 6:44 PM in response to fhebig

Use Airplane mode, and turn WiFi on. Your only network connection will be via WiFi. If you are international, and want to avoid any cell use, you must be in Airplane Mode, which turns off the cell voice/data. It's easy to test, because you will get nothing except a dialog telling you to turn off Airplane mode or turn on WiFi. It's also not in the carrier's interest to tell their customer that "operator error" was at fault. That is why they told you "iPhone has a problem", which is the easiest way for the carrier rep to push the blame to someone else. In the end, you still need to pay, and they have you believing that the phone (not you) was the problem.

Nov 28, 2015 6:37 PM in response to Tim Farnan

Tim Farnan has it right. For iPhones:

1. In Settings, turn on Airplane Mode. (You'll want to do this anyway before takeoff.)

2. When you get to a WiFi spot at your destination (Starbucks?) turn on Wi-Fi and select the network.

That will block your cell phone calling but browsing, syncing with iCloud, Skype and many other apps will work just fine. Messages, Facetime and Mail probably won't.

You can check this out on your home network before you leave. If you happen to have VoIP at home (we have Ooma) many VoIP companies have a phone app so the call you make from your iPhone (over wifi) will have your home number call displayed. Very neat.

(Caution: My email, ftp and web services are independent of the cell phone company. I'm not sure how/if all this works if everything's at the same provider. YMMV.)

Dec 28, 2015 1:03 PM in response to fhebig

My girlfreind just had this issue, 500.00 in charges in 2 hours and she in fact did have data roaming off. After she got the 500.00 notification she turned the phone completely off for the remainder of the trip. ATT doesn't want to have anything to do with it. They say the phone was connected to the ships tower, Royal Caribbean. Only explanation is that her Iphone 6plus was defective and connected even though it was off. Has anybody talked about a class action lawsuit about this issue?

Data roaming charges incurred even when turned off??

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