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Q: Nikon D4s Update ETA?

Would anyone know when the ETA for the Nikon D4s RAW (NEF) files compatibiliy update would be?

 

Just finished two straight days of shooting to find I cannot see or edit the photos on my Mac.

Aperture 3, Mac OS X (10.6.8), iMac 27" late 2010 - i7 Quad

Posted on Mar 6, 2014 9:38 PM

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  • by dancarson,

    dancarson dancarson Mar 20, 2014 6:36 PM in response to dancarson
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    Mar 20, 2014 6:36 PM in response to dancarson

    As an update. Today Apple updated Digital Camera RAW to 5.04

    BUT no support for the D4s.

     

     

    Notes:

     

    "Fujifilm X-T1
    Nikon D3300
    Nikon 1 AW1
    Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GM1
    Pentax K-3 "

  • by patH72,

    patH72 patH72 Mar 28, 2014 10:47 PM in response to dancarson
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    Mar 28, 2014 10:47 PM in response to dancarson

    Let me chime in here with the other voices who have expressed frustration with Apple's tardiness in supporting the D4s. Apple sold Aperture to me as a professional application and so I feel like it is their responsibility to support the cameras professionals are using. I don't think there's any good excuse for this situation.

  • by elejaces,

    elejaces elejaces Apr 5, 2014 10:18 AM in response to dancarson
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    Apr 5, 2014 10:18 AM in response to dancarson

    phosgraphis, your temporary solution works! Thank you! I just dowloaded Adobe's DNG converter:

     

    http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw8-4-cc.html

     

    An I was able to convert my RAW files to DNG, which can can then be imported into Aperture. Not ideal, but it will have to do until Apple gets their act together and puts out the RAW support update for Aperture 3.5.1

     

    Aperture sees the files as RAW when you import them, and this is supposed to be a lossless file format, so I'm ok for now. At least I can work with my images in Aperture until the correct solution comes out.

     

    It is extra work, but it can be done in a single batch, so you can get all the images coverted quickly.

     

    Thanks!

  • by elejaces,

    elejaces elejaces Apr 5, 2014 10:19 AM in response to patH72
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    Apr 5, 2014 10:19 AM in response to patH72

    Absolutely agree. Instead of glossy brochures, show that you mean what you say Apple.

  • by dancarson,

    dancarson dancarson Apr 8, 2014 9:17 PM in response to dancarson
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    Apr 8, 2014 9:17 PM in response to dancarson

    Further update, via Adobe.

     

    Today Photoshop, Bridge and Lightroom are all updated to "officially" natively support the Nikon D4s.  Although the RC of Camera Raw 8.4 was available beforehand it's now integrated into all the updates.  No more need for the DNG process if using Lightroom...

  • by patH72,

    patH72 patH72 Apr 14, 2014 4:56 PM in response to dancarson
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    Apr 14, 2014 4:56 PM in response to dancarson

    Saw it.

     

    So if you are using Lightroom or other Adobe projects you can use Nikon's best camera. If you are using Apple products you cannot. What is wrong with this picture?

  • by SierraDragon,

    SierraDragon SierraDragon Apr 17, 2014 9:53 AM in response to patH72
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    Apr 17, 2014 9:53 AM in response to patH72

    What is wrong with this picture?

    What is wrong with the picture is that Apple is a bit slower than Adobe at supporting new cameras. Apple used to be really bad, but is much better now than in the past (we will see how many days slower than Adobe's April 8 Apple is).

     

    Note also that on my Nikons (D3, D2x, D5100) to my eyes/brain Apple's RAW conversion appears better than Adobe's ACR conversion.

     

    And of course both Apple and Adobe would be faster at support if Nikon shared more info.

     

    -Allen

  • by Bob Rehak,

    Bob Rehak Bob Rehak Apr 29, 2014 4:27 PM in response to phosgraphis
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    Apr 29, 2014 4:27 PM in response to phosgraphis

    I just received a brand new Nikon D4S today and want to echo the disappointment shared by others here.

    I have hundreds of thousands of images stored in Aperture and don't want to walk away from it. But I need to use the camera. This is very frustrating. Nikon announced this camera four months ago!

  • by William Lloyd,

    William Lloyd William Lloyd Apr 29, 2014 4:41 PM in response to Bob Rehak
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    Apr 29, 2014 4:41 PM in response to Bob Rehak

    Did they _ship_ the camera 4 months ago?

  • by dancarson,

    dancarson dancarson Apr 29, 2014 7:13 PM in response to William Lloyd
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    Apr 29, 2014 7:13 PM in response to William Lloyd

    The facts without editorial comment:

     

    *6th March - Nikon D4s Consumer Release (had been used previously via selected Pros)

    *On Release date, Adobe had available compatible Camera RAW and DNG Converters (required manual download)

    *Other software such as Photomechanic and Capture 1 are D4s ready

    *20th March - Apple Release a Camera RAW update, D4s was not included

    *8th April - Adobe Officially update all software including LightRoom for full D4s workflow (since this date another update has also been made via Adobe)

     

    As of today 30th April (22 days since other pro level software is officially D4s ready) Apple has not updated Aperture / Camera RAW for the D4s. Near to 2 months after initial consumer release.

  • by Bob Rehak,

    Bob Rehak Bob Rehak Apr 29, 2014 7:25 PM in response to William Lloyd
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    Apr 29, 2014 7:25 PM in response to William Lloyd

    Yes, demo units of the D4S have been shipping that long. Production models started shipping in volume in mid-March, six weeks ago. But the SHIP date is  a red herring. The D4S was in development for much longer than 4 months.

     

    I guess I was expecting  that two leaders in their respective fields (Apple and Nikon) – whose products were so intimately intertwined – would have some kind of development relationship that enabled Apple to have an Aperture update ready when the D4S hit the streets. Silly me.

  • by Bob Rehak,

    Bob Rehak Bob Rehak Apr 29, 2014 8:14 PM in response to dancarson
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    Apr 29, 2014 8:14 PM in response to dancarson

    Here's another workaround that doesn't involve Adobe for those, like me, who are revolting against their Creative Cloud forced-migration death march.

     

    Nikon ships freeware with the D4S called ViewNX 2. With it, you can view and edit raw files. The editing functions aren't nearly as powerful as Aperture's. But the software works. Moreover, when you're done, you still have an editable raw file that you can import into Aperture at a later date. No translation or conversion needed. You can also take images into Nikon's CaptureNX 2 software. I've been using Capture NX for some time now. It isn't as full featured as Photoshop, but it does some things much better.

  • by patH72,

    patH72 patH72 May 12, 2014 10:41 PM in response to Bob Rehak
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    May 12, 2014 10:41 PM in response to Bob Rehak

    FWIW, I dtopped using Nikon software a long time ago. It was always slow, buggy, and broke every time Apple even issued a minor update ot the OS. But, beyond that, Nikon's software always installed dozens (or even more) files all over the operating system for no obvious reason. Some of these insinuated themselves deep into the operating system and were very difficult to find and eliminate. I think it's a better idea to keep that software off your Mac, but that's just my observation.

     

    In a comment above one user indicated that Apple is a "bit slower" than Adobe supporting the D4s, and compares the (still unready) support from Apple to Adobe's April 8 release date of their support. This is misleading, since for a long time before the official release Adobe made the beta software available to D4s users to they could use the Adobe products with the new camera. Obviously, they understand the needs of these customera and have done everything they can to support them.

     

    Apple, on the other hand, still does not support Nikon's current flagship camera, months after it has been released. They haven't made any effort to get beta software to anyone or help in any other way. They not only don't support the camera but provide no information whatsoever to their users as to when the support will be forthcoming. This is not a professional way to treat their customers, and it doesn't make it look they like are particularly concerned about those customer or with providing reasonable competition for Lightroom.

  • by Pagnol,

    Pagnol Pagnol May 13, 2014 8:17 AM in response to patH72
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    May 13, 2014 8:17 AM in response to patH72

    Yes, this is not professional at all, outrageously, shameful...

  • by jockybub,

    jockybub jockybub May 15, 2014 12:33 AM in response to dancarson
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    May 15, 2014 12:33 AM in response to dancarson

    Here we are at 15 May and still nothing. I have had my D4S for about three weeks now and moved to Lightroom 5/PS to be able to post process my work. Dreadful performance Apple. The longer it takes the more hassle I'll have.

     

    When Aperture 4 comes out it better have a LR5 to Aperture convertor in it !

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