Random Keys Working Sporadically

I have a MacBook Pro OSX, that I bought about 4 years ago. It has worked PERFECTLY for me. Until now. What is happening is at RANDOM times and for RANDOM lengths, a few keys (t,y,u,i,o) will STOP working. It is totally random and there seems to be no pattern to it at all - they simply will work, and the stop, and then work again (as you can see, they are working NOW). I brought it in to the local computer shop (Best Buy) and they did a hardware analysis to see if the keyboard was broken. It came back and said the keyboard was functioning fine. I don't know what to do at this point?? I've read about the battery perhaps swelling up and causing this, but IDK...ANY help would be GREAT!!!!

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Mar 10, 2014 1:32 PM

Reply
Question marked as Top-ranking reply

Posted on Dec 3, 2014 12:12 PM

So I thought I'd weigh in here to explain how these keyboards work:

User uploaded file

This is the contactor array of a MacBook Pro 2011 13" . You're looking at it from back to front. Those round dots are where the silicone rubber "cones" cause the front array to make contact with the back array, telling the computer which key has been pushed. The width of these (I think deposited silver ) traces is about 0.5 mm.

User uploaded file

Now you're only looking at the just the front array. You can see that the contact pads are connected in series. A break anywhere in the trace connecting them would cause the "downstream" keys to stop working.

User uploaded file

So here you see a site where galvanic corrosion occurred. I know that this particular MBP was exposed to water. So I bought it very cheaply. I was able to clean and completely dry out the logic board and the MBP worked fine for a while but quickly the Q - W - E - R -T - Y - P keys got wonky then completely stopped working. I bought a replacement keyboard for cheap but then found out that it's held to the front frame with around 80 tiny screws. So I was using it with a BlueTooth keyboard. Recently I bit the bullet and for $69 bought an entire top case for my machine. Putting it in meant that the everything had to come out of and off the top case.

So you can see from the amount of corrosion, it doesn't take much to cause a failure. In this case a drop of liquid less than 0.5 mm would, over time with galvanic action, cause a failure. There was a post about someone who had their MBP in a leather case and when they opened it up there was a lot of moisture on it. It was winter where he lived and we figured it was condensation. So even without spills this could happen.

When I took this keyboard apart I was shocked to find how much crap was trapped under and inside the keyboard. Especially since I pride myself in never having any food/drink near my "precious!"

168 replies

Jun 13, 2014 6:30 PM in response to MattyRay

This problem started happening for me today. Only the top row, from e to o. Completely random, no liquids. The MBP service guide wasn't helpful - listed the usual stuff like try known good OS, updates, replace top case, etc etc.


Anyway your comment about the swelling battery interested me, so I tried unplugging the power adapter, then they started working again. Then after a few minutes they stopped. So I plugged it back in and they started working again. Keys haven't broken since - YET. I have no idea what being plugged in has to do with the keys, but it's worked for me so far! Try it!

Jul 12, 2014 12:21 PM in response to MattyRay

So what did you do guys about this? Yesterday started to happen to me as well, mbp late 2011, letters from r...o randomly not working. i noticed if i get them to work and play only with them and then i press 'e' they start not to work again. also if i keep a nonworking key longer it appears after a while. for now i followed the advice to remove the power and seems to work, but there's a long time ahead...

This problem is incredible.

Jul 13, 2014 10:39 PM in response to cristi_tulcea

Exact same problem here (Late 2011 MBP), has been happening for around a month and getting continually worse. I am now unable to use keys E through O, although before it got worse I was sometimes able to repeatedly hit the key and/or hold it down to get them to work again for a few minutes. No random spills or anything has changed since this has started. I can only find replacements on places like Ebay, and the comments sound like the replacements aren't the best. Not to mention how long it takes to disassemble and replace the keyboard alone. Short of going to my nearest Apple store 1.5 hours away and paying for a repair (likely charging me for a 250$ top case and lord only knows how much for labor), I am lost. I can't believe so many similar systems just recently started having this issue. Has anyone figured anything out, or can we get something other than a referral to the support article? I am very unhappy about this.

Jul 18, 2014 6:47 AM in response to Kcurtis123

I figured out the problem. I booted up into a known-good OS on a flash drive and plugged in an external keyboard. No problems. Then tried to type on the top row of the Macbook's keyboard - didn't work. Issue detected: the top case. -Fail horn- Even though I hadn't spilled anything in it, sometimes those top cases go bad for whatever reason.


So if you're having this problem: plug in an external keyboard, boot into a clean copy of OS, and try it again. If you can type on the external keyboard but not your computer's, it's the top case.

Jul 25, 2014 12:59 AM in response to MattyRay

What has the OS to do with this? You yourself say that it doesn't

I'm probably the only one without an external keyboard so i'm left in frustration, i'll go to a service and let you know what they say.

If you start typing like crazy 'tiryutioryuortiuyoitreuyoitruyoitreuyit' when is not working is starting to work again for a moment or more, it's really random, but the key 'e' is many times like a trigger to the problem, i made a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCtyUGWCTSQ

Aug 27, 2014 9:16 AM in response to wbonx

Definitely a heat-related problem. Now that it's turning to autumn my keyboard works better in the cooler weather. When it does give grief, I put an Apple wireless keyboard right over the faulty keyboard and keep typing. It cost €69, which was a lot cheaper than the alternative of trying to get the macbook repaired. Frustrating, but a work-around.

Aug 27, 2014 10:38 AM in response to MattyRay

Hi Iculture,


thanks for the reply, I already checked, it is not a heat related problem, I was until now in vacation with a clima of 2 degree... same problem. I also tried with a fan and ice.

Anyway, pressing around the keys makes a difference so it is a defect in the manufacturing. Thus I really don't care how much is an USB external key, mac are expensive, I expect a decent quality and them to last.


Best,

Walter

Aug 27, 2014 11:19 AM in response to wbonx

I have an early 2011 MBP, now with 10.9.4. I had the battery dead after arriving back from holiday (was told this could happen when your battery runs empty > was surprised to hear this, hard to believe), had the screen replaced due to discolouration on the edges, had the motherboard replaced after suddenly the screen was completely garbled and never showed a normal picture again, have the problem with the screen sometimes not waking up after sleep, had the problems with the q...p-row keyboard row ... and never does Apple admit there is a problem, you find many similar complaints ... i used to be an Apple fan (not fanboy), but this (and other) recent experiences (A brand, A price, C service) have turned me into someone saying to friends not to buy Apple... Over time almost all components got replaced, all paid by me/my employer :-(. If i would have known...

Nov 6, 2014 9:10 AM in response to MrT2

Same issue here, late 2011 MBP running 10.8.5. This also happens right after startup when trying to log in with my user, therefore I don't expect it to be a third party issue - unless it's caused by some background service that's loaded before logging in. On my machine this issue appears randomly but also usually disappears again within one or two minutes. Letters are typically those in the top row, and mostly vowels I think (U, O, I). This appears like one of those issues that can be really hard to reproduce and fix for a company, but with Apple charging the hardware prices they do, I would expect an official solution here, even if it's nothing else than hitting option 5 times in a row. Because this bug, while it appears, renders your machine completely useless.

Nov 19, 2014 8:03 PM in response to finin

Same issue here with my 2010 MBP. Never dropped it or spilled any liquid on it. At first, it was just the 'S' key. Then, it spread to the 'F' key. I removed the keys and cleaned them - had a bit of dust but nothing major. Didn't fix the problem. Now, it has spread to the 'C' and 'V' keys. Have resorted to using an external wireless keyboard plunked on top of the MBP keyboard (works). Phoned a local Apple repair shop, and they claim that my keyboard will need to be replaced. May consider going through with it to save money on a new one. Sigh.

Dec 1, 2014 11:13 AM in response to MattyRay

This problem went away for me. In part I think because the weather got cooler, and I think heat may have played a role, but more importantly because I prised off the offending keys and vacuumed out all the crud that was under them (also had to use a tweezers to pull out hairs that had snuck in there). Prior to that I had a different solution – to carry around a separate Mac bluetooth keyboard I happened to have bought for a different purpose; worked fine, bit of a hassle, but much cheaper than repair alternatives.

Dec 2, 2014 7:37 PM in response to iCulture

Same deal here. 2012 MBP. O, u, i, t, y keys stop responding or respond intermittently.


Had issues with this earlier in the year, and then it stopped. Paired a bluetooth keyboard to fix the problem. Man, this is annoying, as I depend on this machine for work.


I really don't want to purchase another yet. And I imagine it will be prohibitively expensive to fix.

Jan 21, 2015 7:45 AM in response to spudnuty

Same issue ere as escribe. It's te mie row eys tat are not:

as;'

🙂

Comes and goes. Only thing I can add is that holding down the key (prolonged, not heavily) lets it eventually press. And then it will continue to respond for a while. It's like something confusing the kb scan.


THANK YOU for the fantastic close up shots posted here of the mbp kb guts! And as you can see by my typing here, the "issue has gone away..." for the time being..


Best - hth

-Bronius

This thread has been closed by the system or the community team. You may vote for any posts you find helpful, or search the Community for additional answers.

Random Keys Working Sporadically

Welcome to Apple Support Community
A forum where Apple customers help each other with their products. Get started with your Apple Account.