Trombone and Bass Clef

My son plays the Trombone and I am trying to use a keyboard to enter his music into garageband for him to listen to (he does better when listening to and watching it several times). However, it seems that Trombones play in the upper end of the Bass clef and I have trouble with Garageband shifting over to treble clef even if I have selected the "trombones"
Is there a way to stop this or other software that will keep the notation strictly in bass clef?
Thanks

PowerMac G5/1.8 GHz old 1 cpu 2003, Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Posted on Aug 13, 2006 10:18 AM

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Aug 13, 2006 5:21 PM in response to danuke

In answer to your question, can GB be made to not sow trombone music in treble clef, I don't believe so. I would not use GB for notation even though it can display music notation. To best do this, you'll need a notation program such as Finale or Sibelius. Finale has a free version called NotePad. NotePad has several limitations, among them the number of measures allowed per document.

Probably your best solution would be to have your son read the printed page from the school music or method book. You don't mention his age or level of experience. Practicing along with a GB file is a great way to help him, but attempting to follow along with the notation in the file is probably asking to much. Additionally he needs to get used to reading from the printed music his teacher(s) have given him. There is more information there than GB can realistically display. Hope this helps.


Ted Boliske
Instrumental Music Teacher (gr. 5-12)

Aug 14, 2006 7:30 AM in response to danuke

Garageband's "notation" is hardly that. Compared to any notation program, including the limited Notepad app mentioned, GB's notation is primitive.

That said, I love this feature. Instead of being forced to look at midi bars during editing, I can look at real notes and edit them, easily deleting wrong notes. This is really its only purpose. Scores cannot be printed (easily), clefs cannot be changed, text and expression markings cannot be added.

Kurt

Aug 14, 2006 9:38 AM in response to danuke

Be careful that you are not teaching him to play entirely by ear. Counting is as vital as the ear in getting it right.

Instead of using the notation to try and help him, play accents on:
beats 1 and 3 in 4/4 time
beats 1 in 3/4 time
beats 1 and 4 in 6/8 time.

Then show him where these beats fall in his sheet music. Rhythmic mistakes are compounded by students not being able to recover and get back on track. It is important for them to feel and hear where the beginning of measures are and the strong parts of the beat are and keep up with it. If they can't, then the passage needs to be slowed down.

Rhythmic problems are also caused because students are still learning their notes/fingering/slide positions. While they are thinking about what the position is the rhythm marches on and they are lost. There may be times he needs to stop, not worry about the rhythm and just figure out the notes/positions. Then try and do the section in rhythm.

K

Aug 15, 2006 1:23 PM in response to Kurt Weber

Well, at his request, I bough him a 'flexable' metronome that "talks" and stresses beat counts and all sorts of interesting stuff, in an effort to help with counting.
One thing that I saw last year is that once he got some things 'down', if one changed tempo he was stumped. So I said lets back up and start with scales etc and work on counting and tempo changes. It was ugly. He is also ADD, and although he is entering highschool, it seems that he forgets note/slide position and even sounds. Poor little feller, has the curse of short arms to boot. I wish he had chosen the stick, I have a LeBlanc and Noblet Bb sophrano, but his mom played the trombone.

His teachers and tutors rant about his sound, I don't know much about brass as I played almost the entire line of clarinets in my mispent youth - from that nasty little Eb toothpick to my wonderful contrabass; it was awful, I went from the contrabass that I had been playing for three years during high school to that toothpick in college at my director's insistance. Yuck, sitting and playing right up there where there is no air, and not to mention hardly any white on the sheet of music, with the piccolos. Severe culture shock, that was, not to mention what it was doing with my embrasure. That is when I decided it would be safer on a nice quite submarine playing with nuclear reactors. ;^)

Aug 22, 2006 2:13 PM in response to danuke

Don't forget the free Notepad app mentioned.

Coda has varying stages of apps designed for different levels of use and price. You may want to check out their home page:
FinaleMusic.com

I love using Finale but it is a complicated program to learn. It is meant for people serious about music software. Anything you want to do with a score Finale can do it and to the nth degree. Once I progressed past its steep learning curve I had a blast.

There are demos of both Sibelius and Finale. These demos have no time limit but you can't save anything. After trying both demos and checking out features I ended up with FInale. You get more bang for your buck, including a light version of scanning software which allows you to scan music and open it in Finale. It works quite well. Finale also includes the Garritan Orchestral Sounds which can really beef up your playback.

Kurt

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