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I just wonder..

I have the latest version of Aperture, 80K photos shot in raw, all referenced on a separate HD, with no XML link and preview at quality 7 for 1280/1280 size. And my Aperture library itself is 128 Go. Is this normal ?

I just wonder..


Thanks by advance for your enlightenment !

Posted on Mar 12, 2014 7:55 PM

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Posted on Mar 13, 2014 12:43 AM

Look into the Aperture library at the size of the folders "Previews", "Masters", "Thumbnails", iPod Photo Cache. trl-click the Aperture library and use "Show Package Contents". With your Preview settings the "Previews" folder should be about 25GB, the Thumbnails perhaps the same size. Are you syncing with iTunes? You may have a huge iPod Photo Cache: iTunes: Understanding the iPod Photo Cache folder



Re "Previews": When did you change the Preview settings? This will not change previews that already have been created, only new previews. To be sure, all images have small previews, use the command "Photos > Delete Previews" and then "Photos > Update Previews", while holding down the options key.


But 1280x1280 is really tiny for previews. I prefer the previews to be at least as large as the display, so that they can be used a screensaver and the desktop wallpaper.

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Mar 13, 2014 12:43 AM in response to Frenchy Damien

Look into the Aperture library at the size of the folders "Previews", "Masters", "Thumbnails", iPod Photo Cache. trl-click the Aperture library and use "Show Package Contents". With your Preview settings the "Previews" folder should be about 25GB, the Thumbnails perhaps the same size. Are you syncing with iTunes? You may have a huge iPod Photo Cache: iTunes: Understanding the iPod Photo Cache folder



Re "Previews": When did you change the Preview settings? This will not change previews that already have been created, only new previews. To be sure, all images have small previews, use the command "Photos > Delete Previews" and then "Photos > Update Previews", while holding down the options key.


But 1280x1280 is really tiny for previews. I prefer the previews to be at least as large as the display, so that they can be used a screensaver and the desktop wallpaper.

Mar 16, 2014 8:42 AM in response to Frenchy Damien

The iMovie Thumbnails will be created, whenever you are accessing the Aperture Library from iMovie 9.0.9. If you delete them, they will be recreated and that takes a lot of time. You can only avoid them by deleting all videos from Aperture and only keeping them in iMovie, or by using the newer iMovie 10.0. That version does not create thumbnails for the movies in the Aperture library, as far as I can see with iMovie 10.0 and Aperture 3.5.1. What versions are you using?

Mar 17, 2014 5:19 AM in response to léonie

Thanks Léonie. My iMovie is 8.0.6 and Aperture is 3.5.1 so I'll think I'll keep the iMovie thumbnails folder.


Now the more more tricky part.

I deleted all my previews, yet, the folder is still large of 39 Go. Also, when I launch Aperture, previews are generated automatically in the background, for 40K picture (out of the 80K I've got).. Any tip ?


Any known way to decrease the Thumbnails size ? I'm quite surprised by the size, which means 800 Ko are used per picture!


Cheers,

Damien

Mar 17, 2014 11:40 AM in response to Frenchy Damien

Aperture does it's housekeeping in the background. Let it run unmolested overnight (make sure your machine is plugged in and set to not sleep) and take a look at the numbers again in the morning.


I would also repair your database. Details are on Apple's Aperture trouble-shooting page. Do this before trying to slim your Library further.


Have you un-checked "New projects automatically generate previews" on "Aperture ▹ Preferences ▹ Previews"?


Are any of your Images shared outside of Aperture (Facebook, Flickr, etc.)?


There are other things to check, but as Léonie wisely points out, for most users the advantages of letting Aperture run the way it wants usually outweigh the need for a smaller Library.


Nonetheless, 800 KB per Image for thumbnails is high.

  1. I would check whether your database is holding thumbnails for faces. Show the Library package contents in Finder, double-click the "Thumbnails" folder to make it topmost in the current window, and search for "face" in the filename.
  2. Drill all the down to the bottom of a few roots of "Thumbnails". What do you find?


NB: do not change or delete anything in your Library package. If you do, you are likely to corrupt your Library.

Mar 18, 2014 2:15 PM in response to Kirby Krieger

Thanks for all this.

A few points:

- To answer Léonie, I bought a 256Go SSD, and put the Aperture Library on it for faster sensations. With the other apps, I am almost full now. Would you think that having it on the 2To FW800 would be much detrimental, speed wise ?

- I have unchecked "New projects automatically generate previews" and no images are shared on web services.

- For the thumbnails folder, a few discoveries.

1) I could not find anything with "face" on the name. Yet I found many files with "face" on their names in the Previews folder

3) three kind of hierarchy on the thumbnails folder:

a) the names of subfolders like : /Pictures/Aperture Library.aplibrary/Thumbnail/494V5nrhS82%XLWRCasplg All these lead to files called AP.Thumbnails. They are at least a few Mo and I found one of 500Mo...


b) a single folder name "Segments" with 40 files named like "ThumbJPGSegment_23.data"


c) Folders named after the year (e.g. 2012), then inside subfolders named after the months (e.g 08) for which pictures have been shot, then the days (e.g 04) , then folders with some kind of further details as they are called something like "20120804-182743" (the first set is a recall of the date, and the second set the number of seconds ?). Inside these, new funny names like "1gbaxvSATJWVFSaPYK2XaQ" then 2 pictures files:

one small named like thumb_IMG_7140.jpg

one larger named liked thumb_IMG_7140_1024.jpg (probably for the 1024 dimension)

To be clear, the path is /Pictures/Aperture Library.aplibrary/Thumbnail/2012/08/04/20120804-173246/%eXKHTJHSG+w7byw0tcdTg/


So the AP.Thumbnails are quite mysterious and could explain the extra size of my library.

I will now run overnight the database checks and let you know !


Thanks a bunch for the help.


Cheers

Damien

Mar 18, 2014 2:24 PM in response to Frenchy Damien

With the other apps, I am almost full now. Would you think that having it on the 2To FW800 would be much detrimental, speed wise ?

If your system drive is almost full, this will slow down the system, and you do indeed need to free space. Moving your library to a Firewire volume should work. This would have the added advantage that you could turn it into a managed library again.


But just try it yourself. COpy the library to the external drive and open it in Aperture. Try a few edits. Do you notice any additional slowness?

Mar 18, 2014 9:20 PM in response to Frenchy Damien

Other than initial Library load time, I don't think you notice much difference between a Thunderbolt or USB-3 drive and an SSD. (Whereas, as you've found, the difference between an SSD and FW800 is apparent.)


I'm not sure you have that much of a choice. You need to free up space on your system drive. I suggest -- and I think others will agree -- that you _always_ leave 40 or more GB free. Stalling or crashing your system, and/or corrupting your Library, should be avoided, even at the cost of a small reduction in performance.


Keep us posted on what you do.

Mar 24, 2014 2:59 PM in response to Kirby Krieger

Hello Folks, I've been trying many things, but I am stuck with 30 Gb of available space, and no intention to stop adding pictures on my FW800 HD, hence a bigger Aperture library.

So here is my next question: what about rebuilding my library from scratch ? I may end up with a smaller, leaner file.

All masters are already archieved in a hierarchy that replicates the way files are presented in Aperture. So I assume the next step is to somehow save the metadatas I've already put on the files.

Losing Faces is not a big issue but could I transfer the modifications on the files and the various tags and rating I've associated them with ?


Thanks for your kind help !

Damien

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