Sander A.
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Q: slow performance since going to Mavericks on aging iMac

hi & thanks in advance: Wondering if my newly sluggish performance, SPODs etc since upgrading to Mavs (10.9.2) from 10.6.8  =  its time to upgrade my machine (late '07 iMac i think). I'd just install more RAM but seems my 4gig is its ceiling? Activity Monitor shows that now even just running one or 2 apps at a time is pushing things. Ran the nifty EtreCheck (see below).

 

I'm a Veetle watcher, wondering if their ancient 1.0 mac plugin is no good w/Mavs?

 

Here's what's happening:

- iPhoto now SPODs for about 30 secs after launch, but then all's well once that stops. (btw when I go offline/disconnect the modem's firewire to test run apps, there's no SPOD-ing.)

- GBand 10, all's fine except when playing live e.guitar getting intermittent glitches in its audio (old Tascam FireOne firewire I/O, no way to update its driver since they abandoned the FireOne ages ago.)

- VERY slow app launches all around, especially after first morning start up. Chrome pages loading 5x slower than before on 10.6.8; some streaming slow downs, esp. on Netflix which takes Silverlight like a minute now to load up a show;

- Activity Monitor: I'm at like 3.5-3.9 of my 4G with just a coupla apps running at a time.

 

Here's what I've tried so far:

- Disk Utility repair permissions

- reset PRAM (before reading here that's not a good idea anymore)

- did a full Time Machine restore (    "                 "               " )

- disabled all but one start up item, a Native Instruments helper type app I wasn't sure about

- cleared some caches, can't remember which (per a 10-star user here on improving performance)

- Deleted tons of old/unneeded apps and files, my boot drive now less than half full.

- uninstalled several third-party plugins

- thinned out my iPhoto library extensively, still the same SPOD after launch; then reindexed the thumbnails.

- Sophos Anti-Virus Mac Home, turned off all realtime updating/scanning (left its web page/content realtime filter on though)

 

Here's my EtreCheck info, & again thanks in advance for anyone's help here!!!

 

Hardware Information:

          iMac (24-inch, Early 2008)

          iMac - model: iMac8,1

          1 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo CPU: 2 cores

          4 GB RAM

 

Video Information:

          NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS - VRAM: 512 MB

 

System Software:

          OS X 10.9.2 (13C64) - Uptime: 0 days 8:11:55

 

Disk Information:

          ST3500418ASQ disk0 : (500.11 GB)

                    EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted>: 209.7 MB

                    Untitled (disk0s2) / [Startup]: 499.25 GB (311 GB free)

                    Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted>: 650 MB

 

USB Information:

 

          Apple Inc. Built-in iSight

 

          Apple Inc. BRCM2046 Hub

                    Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

 

          TigerJet Network, Inc. USB Internet Phone by TigerJet 7.2 MB

                    disk1s0 (disk1s0) <not mounted>: 6.2 MB

                    disk1s0s1 (disk1s0s1) <not mounted>: 32 KB

                    magicJack (disk1s0s2) <not mounted>: 588 KB

 

          Mitsumi Electric Apple Optical USB Mouse

 

          Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver

 

 

FireWire Information:

 

Thunderbolt Information:

 

Kernel Extensions:

          com.Logitech.Control Center.HID Driver          (3.4.0 - SDK 10.0)

          com.speedbit.driver.vadriver          (1.0.5)

          com.sophos.nke.swi          (9.0.53 - SDK 10.8)

          com.sophos.kext.sav          (9.0.53 - SDK 10.7)

 

Launch Daemons:

          [System] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.sophos.autoupdate.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.sophos.configuration.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.sophos.intercheck.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.sophos.notification.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.sophos.scan.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.sophos.sxld.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.sophos.webd.plist 3rd-Party support link

 

Launch Agents:

          [System] com.Logitech.Control Center.Daemon.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.sophos.uiserver.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [System] com.speedbit.va.plist 3rd-Party support link

 

User Launch Agents:

          [not loaded] com.apple.CSConfigDotMacCert-@me.com-SharedServices.Agent.plist

          [not loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [not loaded] com.mlbam.nexdef.core.NexdefLoader.plist 3rd-Party support link

          [not loaded] com.swarmcast.mlbnexdefautobahn.plist 3rd-Party support link

 

User Login Items:

          NIHardwareAgent

 

Internet Plug-ins:

          Flip4Mac WMV Plugin: Version: 2.3.8.1 3rd-Party support link

          FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 12.0.0.77 - SDK 10.6 3rd-Party support link

          iPhotoPhotocast: Version: 7.0

          Flash Player: Version: 12.0.0.77 - SDK 10.6 3rd-Party support link

          Default Browser: Version: 537 - SDK 10.9

          QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3

          Unity Web Player: Version: UnityPlayer version 4.2.1f4 - SDK 10.6 3rd-Party support link

          Silverlight: Version: 5.1.30214.0 - SDK 10.6 3rd-Party support link

          DirectorShockwave: Version: 11.6.1r629 3rd-Party support link

          JavaAppletPlugin: Version: 14.9.0 - SDK 10.7 Outdated! Update

 

Safari Extensions:

          AdBlock: Version: 2.6.18

          Ambient Aurea: Version: 1.0.0.21

          Turn Off the Lights: Version: 2.3.0.5

 

Audio Plug-ins:

          BluetoothAudioPlugIn: Version: 1.0 - SDK 10.9

          AirPlay: Version: 2.0 - SDK 10.9

          AppleAVBAudio: Version: 203.2 - SDK 10.9

          iSightAudio: Version: 7.7.3 - SDK 10.9

 

iTunes Plug-ins:

          Quartz Composer Visualizer: Version: 1.4 - SDK 10.9

 

3rd Party Preference Panes:

          Flash Player  3rd-Party support link

          Flip4Mac WMV  3rd-Party support link

          Logitech Control Center  3rd-Party support link

          Native Instruments USB Audio  3rd-Party support link

          Video Accelerator  3rd-Party support link

 

Old Applications:

          Wondershare Helper Compact:          Version: 2.2.5.6 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

                    /Users/[redacted]/Library/Application Support/Helper/Wondershare Helper Compact.app

          SLLauncher:          Version: 1.0 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

                    /Library/Application Support/Microsoft/Silverlight/OutOfBrowser/SLLauncher.app

          /Applications/Line6

                    Line 6 License Manager:          Version: 1.06 - SDK 10.4 3rd-Party support link

                    POD Farm 2:          Version: 2.55 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

          LinPlug Icons:          Version: 3.1 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

                    /Library/Application Support/LinPlug/Icons/3.1/LinPlug Icons.app

          /Applications/Utilities

                    LCC Connection Utility:          Version: 3.4.0 - SDK 10.0 3rd-Party support link

                    LCC Uninstaller:          Version: 3.4.0 - SDK 10.0 3rd-Party support link

          MemServerUI:          Version: 1.1 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

                    /Library/Application Support/Native Instruments/Kontakt 5/kxm/MemServerUI.app

          /Library/Application Support/Logitech.localized/Logitech Control Center.localized

                    Logitech Device Manager:          Version: 3.4.0 - SDK 10.0 3rd-Party support link

                    Logitech Control Center Daemon:          Version: 3.4.0 - SDK 10.0 3rd-Party support link

                    LCC Pilot:          Version: 1.0.0 - SDK 10.0 3rd-Party support link

          MemServerUI:          Version: 1.1 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

                    /Library/Application Support/Native Instruments/Kontakt 4/kxm/MemServerUI.app

          POD Farm 2:          Version: 2.55 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

          AmpliTube 3:          Version: 3.10 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

          FlashbackChecker:          Version: 1.0 - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link

 

Time Machine:

          Skip System Files: NO

          Auto backup: YES

          Volumes being backed up:

                    Untitled: Disk size: 464.96 GB Disk used: 175.32 GB

          Destinations:

                    My Passport [Local] (Last used)

                    Total size: 297.31 GB

                    Total number of backups: 1

                    Oldest backup: 2014-03-13 04:09:30 +0000

                    Last backup: 2014-03-13 04:09:30 +0000

                    Size of backup disk: Too small

                              Backup size 297.31 GB < (Disk used 175.32 GB X 3)

          Time Machine details may not be accurate.

          All volumes being backed up may not be listed.

 

Top Processes by CPU:

               3%          mj_dev

               2%          Google Chrome

               2%          WindowServer

               1%          SophosWebIntelligence

               1%          coreaudiod

 

Top Processes by Memory:

          147 MB          MLBNexDefAutobahn

          139 MB          Google Chrome

          135 MB          com.apple.IconServicesAgent

          82 MB          SophosScanD

          61 MB          Finder

 

Virtual Memory Information:

          402 MB          Free RAM

          1.75 GB          Active RAM

          1.18 GB          Inactive RAM

          516 MB          Wired RAM

          12.38 GB          Page-ins

          31 MB          Page-outs

iMac, OS X Mavericks (10.9.2), 3.06GHz-4G ram

Posted on Mar 15, 2014 5:54 PM

by MadMacs0,Solvedanswer
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A:

Sander A. wrote:

 

re: RAM, I seem to recall reading somewhere that 4gig is the max for my machine...?....also read here on the forums somewhere that there's some way to ignore Apple's stated ceiling my my iMac & go ahead 'n install at least another 4. Any of that ring true for you?

I use a couple of references for things like that, the MacTracker app and EveryMac.com. Both agree the 6GB is the true limit and the latter has the following footnote:

*Apple officially supports 4 GB of RAM, but third-parties have been able to upgrade the system to 6 GB of RAM using one 2 GB and one 4 GB SO-DIMM module.

Posted on Mar 17, 2014 5:52 PM

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  • by MadMacs0,Helpful

    MadMacs0 MadMacs0 Mar 16, 2014 8:41 PM in response to Sander A.
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    Mar 16, 2014 8:41 PM in response to Sander A.

    Sander A. wrote:

     

    - Sophos Anti-Virus Mac Home, turned off all realtime updating/scanning (left its web page/content realtime filter on though)

    That will slow your browser a bit, but should not be causing overall slowing.

     

    I say "should not" because when something went wrong with my Sophos installation I found that it was posting never ending system.log entries that suddenly brought my iMac to it's knees. Running the uninstaller and then re-installing took care of it.

  • by Linc Davis,Helpful

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Mar 16, 2014 9:24 PM in response to Sander A.
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    Mar 16, 2014 9:24 PM in response to Sander A.

    Launch the Console application in any of the following ways:

     

    ☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)

     

    ☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.

     

    ☞ Open LaunchPad. Click Utilities, then Console in the icon grid.

     

    Make sure the title of the Console window is All Messages. If it isn't, select All Messages from the SYSTEM LOG QUERIES menu on the left. If you don't see that menu, select

    View ▹ Show Log List

    from the menu bar.

     

    Click the Clear Display icon in the toolbar. Then try the action that you're having trouble with again. Select any messages that appear in the Console window. Copy them to the Clipboard by pressing the key combination command-C. Paste into a reply to this message (command-V).

    When posting a log extract, be selective. In most cases, a few dozen lines are more than enough.

    Please do not indiscriminately dump thousands of lines from the log into this discussion.

    Important: Some private information, such as your name, may appear in the log. Anonymize before posting.

  • by MichelPM,

    MichelPM MichelPM Mar 16, 2014 9:29 PM in response to Sander A.
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    Mar 16, 2014 9:29 PM in response to Sander A.

    I disagree with MadMacs.

    Completely unistall Sophos Antivirus per the instructions on the develiper's website.

    Antivirus software can slow down the normal operation of OS X can cause adverse effects on the system as well as negatively impact OS X performance.

    Plus, AV software on OS X is not necessary.

    If interested see this article on malware and antivirus apps on OS X.


    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-1982

     

     

    Also, You need to update all of your third party software if there are OS X Mavericks updates that can be applied. You may need to go the third party developers' websites if there are no updates through the Mac App Store.

     

    Update all of your Web browser Internet plugins and extensions, also.

     

    Also, if you have any third party devices, like keyboards, mice, drawing tablets, hubs, card  readers, etc, you need to go to the device makers' websites' to update the drivers for these devices to OS X Mavericks compatible versions.

     



  • by MadMacs0,

    MadMacs0 MadMacs0 Mar 16, 2014 10:08 PM in response to MichelPM
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    Mar 16, 2014 10:08 PM in response to MichelPM

    MichelPM wrote:

     

    I disagree with MadMacs.

    How so? Nothing you had to say countered my advise and beside I agree with almost everything you had to say.

    Antivirus software can slow down the normal operation of OS X can cause adverse effects on the system as well as negatively impact OS X performance.

    I would agree that most users who have A-V software have do not use it in the same way that I do. I have five A-V software applications installed and none of them slow down anything since there are no active processes associated with any of them until I choose to launch them for testing malware samples that I come across. You said it "can slow down" and that can be correct with some packages if you don't take steps to prevent it. The OP has told us that he took appropriate steps to disable Sophos active scanning and updates, so it's not obvious to me that it's causing any issues. Hopefully Linc's request will allow us all to have a better idea of what's going on.

    Plus, AV software on OS X is not necessary.

    But then you go on to recommend thomas_r's tip sheet and you will never hear him say those words. In fact a recent article leans in the opposite direction Time to re-evaluate safety of Mac OS X.

  • by MichelPM,

    MichelPM MichelPM Mar 16, 2014 10:34 PM in response to MadMacs0
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    Mar 16, 2014 10:34 PM in response to MadMacs0

    I missed some of what the OP wrote, so I re-read it just to make sure.

    So, my bad on that.

    Thomas Reed must have recently edited his posting there as at one point, I thought he mentions the use or actually non-use of Antivirus on OS X, but still advises Antivirus for users who are still running Windows software on their Macs.

    I will have to go back and re-read his link to see if he did, in fact, make changes to his topic there.

    Thanks for  the head up on this

  • by Sander A.,

    Sander A. Sander A. Mar 17, 2014 2:52 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Mar 17, 2014 2:52 PM in response to Linc Davis

    thanks Linc. I cleared the messages in Console, launched iPhoto (which did the same thing, SPOD-ing about 20 secs before I could select a pic) , and grabed the messages that mention iPhoto:

     

    3/17/14 4:41:41.273 PM kdc[1314]: krb5_kdc_set_dbinfo: Failed to find KerberosKDC node

    3/17/14 4:41:41.275 PM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.Kerberos.kdc[1314]) Exited with code: 1

    3/17/14 4:41:41.275 PM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.Kerberos.kdc) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds

    3/17/14 4:41:43.472 PM iPhoto[1315]: *** WARNING: Method selectRow:byExtendingSelection: in class AlbumView is deprecated. It will be removed in a future release and should no longer be used.

    3/17/14 4:41:43.525 PM iPhoto[1315]: *** WARNING: Method selectedRowEnumerator in class AlbumView is deprecated. It will be removed in a future release and should no longer be used.

    3/17/14 4:41:43.741 PM iPhoto[1315]: objc[1315]: Class ISLengthFormatter is implemented in both /Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/MacOS/iPhoto and /Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/NetServices.framework/ Versions/A/NetServices. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.

    3/17/14 4:41:43.741 PM iPhoto[1315]: objc[1315]: Class ISLengthEncodingFormatter is implemented in both /Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/MacOS/iPhoto and /Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/NetServices/Frameworks/NetServices.framework/ Versions/A/NetServices. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.

    3/17/14 4:41:43.745 PM iPhoto[1315]: CFURLGetFSRef was passed this URL which has no scheme (the URL may not work with other CFURL routines): /Applications/iPhoto.app

    3/17/14 4:41:43.766 PM iPhoto[1315]: CFURLGetFSRef was passed this URL which has no scheme (the URL may not work with other CFURL routines): /Applications/iPhoto.app

    3/17/14 4:41:43.768 PM iPhoto[1315]: CFURLGetFSRef was passed this URL which has no scheme (the URL may not work with other CFURL routines): /Applications/iPhoto.app

    3/17/14 4:41:43.770 PM iPhoto[1315]: CFURLGetFSRef was passed this URL which has no scheme (the URL may not work with other CFURL routines): /Applications/iPhoto.app

    3/17/14 4:41:43.773 PM iPhoto[1315]: CFURLGetFSRef was passed this URL which has no scheme (the URL may not work with other CFURL routines): /Applications/iPhoto.app

    3/17/14 4:41:44.232 PM iPhoto[1315]: ICAGetDeviceList_Deprecated-Has been deprecated since 10.5.  Calls to this function in the future may crash this application.  Please move to ImageCaptureCore

     

    I'll do same w/ my GBand issue and reply back in awhile with same Console messages.

    thanx, Sander

  • by Sander A.,

    Sander A. Sander A. Mar 17, 2014 2:54 PM in response to MichelPM
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    Mar 17, 2014 2:54 PM in response to MichelPM

    thanks Michel, I'll read that link about OSX virus approaches and get back to you here. Its a very long article so will take awhile.

  • by Sander A.,

    Sander A. Sander A. Mar 17, 2014 2:56 PM in response to MadMacs0
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    Mar 17, 2014 2:56 PM in response to MadMacs0

    thanx MadMac, will check out your Mac safety link too!

  • by Sander A.,

    Sander A. Sander A. Mar 17, 2014 3:02 PM in response to Linc Davis
    Level 1 (4 points)
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    Mar 17, 2014 3:02 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Linc, also getting thes messages when I just switch between Chrome tabs:

     

    3/17/14 4:59:55.374 PM Google Chrome Helper[1570]: Process unable to create connection because the sandbox denied the right to lookup com.apple.coreservices.launchservicesd and so this process cannot talk to launchservicesd. : LSXPCClient.cp #426 ___ZN26LSClientToServerConnection21setupServerConnectionEiPK14__CFDictionary_bl ock_invoke() q=com.apple.main-thread

    3/17/14 4:59:55.374 PM Google Chrome Helper[1570]: Process unable to create connection because the sandbox denied the right to lookup com.apple.coreservices.launchservicesd and so this process cannot talk to launchservicesd.

    3/17/14 4:59:55.388 PM Google Chrome Helper[1570]: CGSLookupServerRootPort: Failed to look up the port for "com.apple.windowserver.active" (1100)

     

    ....and these are constantly coming up too without me doing anything:

     

    3/17/14 5:02:10.884 PM digest-service[1597]: krb5_kdc_set_dbinfo: Failed to find KerberosKDC node

    3/17/14 5:02:10.884 PM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.Kerberos.digest-service[1597]) Exited with code: 1

    3/17/14 5:02:10.885 PM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.Kerberos.digest-service) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds

    3/17/14 5:02:12.538 PM kdc[1598]: krb5_kdc_set_dbinfo: Failed to find KerberosKDC node

    3/17/14 5:02:12.539 PM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.Kerberos.kdc[1598]) Exited with code: 1

    3/17/14 5:02:12.539 PM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.Kerberos.kdc) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds

    3/17/14 5:02:20.898 PM digest-service[1599]: krb5_kdc_set_dbinfo: Failed to find KerberosKDC node

    3/17/14 5:02:20.899 PM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.Kerberos.digest-service[1599]) Exited with code: 1

    3/17/14 5:02:20.899 PM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.Kerberos.digest-service) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds

  • by MadMacs0,

    MadMacs0 MadMacs0 Mar 17, 2014 3:14 PM in response to Sander A.
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    Mar 17, 2014 3:14 PM in response to Sander A.

    I'm sure Linc will be along shortly and hopefully be able to tell you what's up with Kerberos, but in the meantime I'll point out a couple of things.

     

    What version of iLife are you using? Your iPhoto should have updated to 9.5.1 after you installed Mavericks and the Console entries would certainly have me believe you are using something older.

     

    Although 4GB of RAM are listed as the minimum required for Mavericks I get the distinct feeling from other users in the forum that more is better, if not mandatory. I started with only 4GB on my 2011 iMac using Mountain Lion and I realized almost immediately that I needed more. I suspect a new laptop with minimal needs can get by with only 4, but for users that are into iPhoto and Garage Band, I don't think that's anywhere near enough.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Mar 17, 2014 3:32 PM in response to Sander A.
    Level 10 (208,037 points)
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    Mar 17, 2014 3:32 PM in response to Sander A.

    Is this computer bound to an Open Directory server? If you don't know what I mean, the answer is almost certainly no, but open the Users & Groups preference pane, click Login Options, and look for the words Network Account Server at the bottom of the window.

  • by Sander A.,

    Sander A. Sander A. Mar 17, 2014 4:21 PM in response to Linc Davis
    Level 1 (4 points)
    Desktops
    Mar 17, 2014 4:21 PM in response to Linc Davis

    sorry to bog ya down with all these Linc....is it normal for Console to show so many errors? Its constantly scrolling with 'em, including this one I noticed mentioning Sophos (I have its realtime check/update off, but still have its dangerous web page protection rolling in realtime):

     

    3/17/14 6:15:30.677 PM SophosWebD[66]: <SMENode: 0x7ffaf3c8f430> localNode csc:1ERROR! encountered an error while writing to outputstream| error:Error Domain=NSPOSIXErrorDomain Code=32 "The operation couldn’t be completed. Broken pipe"

     

    (there was five of the same as above following it at one point)

  • by Sander A.,

    Sander A. Sander A. Mar 17, 2014 4:23 PM in response to Linc Davis
    Level 1 (4 points)
    Desktops
    Mar 17, 2014 4:23 PM in response to Linc Davis

    next to Network Account Server there's a 'Join' button....

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Mar 17, 2014 4:25 PM in response to Sander A.
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    Mar 17, 2014 4:25 PM in response to Sander A.

    Sophos is useless, and you should get rid of it whether it's causing this problem or not. If you still have problems after doing that and rebooting, post again.

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