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Q: 1.42 GHz model with only 256 Mb on board RAM?

I recently picked up a 1.42 GHz G4 iBook and when I was checking out the system I noticed that it had 1.25 Mb of RAM.

This was 1Gb in the expansion slot and 256 Mb on the board. I checked my facts to make sure and everywhere I look

this model should have 512 Mb.

A hardware test showed a start up error 2048 with the 1Gb in the slot but nothing about the RAM on the board.

 

Could this be a fault on the board?

 

I don't believe it is possible to upgrade the processer on an iBook so I don't think the machine is an hybrid.

 

Anybody have any ideas?

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Mar 21, 2014 4:29 AM

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  • by K Shaffer,Helpful

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Mar 21, 2014 1:01 PM in response to Raedwald
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    Mar 21, 2014 1:01 PM in response to Raedwald

    There likely is a defect on the board, perhaps in the factory RAM soldered in.

     

    What does the iBook (14" mid-2005) 1.42GHz computer do, when the 1024MB

    SO-DIMM PC2700 DDR333 chip is removed from the computer? Does the

    internal chip appear as a 256MB (perhaps in SafeBoot mode) then?

     

    Do you have a different, known good PC2700 DDR333 1024MB RAM chip w/

    proper specs for iBookG4/PowerBookG4/+iMacG4 1.25GHz(USB2.0) on hand?

     

    Does System Profiler show the two RAM chips separately?

     

    They appear as separate pieces in my iBook G4 12" 1.33GHz (mid-2005) for 1.5GB total.

     

    Not sure how you could proceed; if the solder has gone bad, you could try a heat gun

    and learn how to re-flow on other items before attempting to fix an iBook, if needed.

    Or see about getting a replacement spec chip to fix the logic board. Or make a call to

    wegenermedia.com* and ask about the part, the prospect, and of their service to fix it.

    {I see you're in UK, so you still could email the *company; they may reply. A similar

    full-service company like that may exist over there. They do world-wide business}

     

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by Raedwald,

    Raedwald Raedwald Mar 22, 2014 2:01 PM in response to K Shaffer
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    Mar 22, 2014 2:01 PM in response to K Shaffer

    Hi K and thanks for your response

     

    The System Profiler shows both elements of RAM separately

     

    I'll check the boot without the 1Gb in the expansion slot when I get the iBook back. It's with a friend

    who is a little more knowledgeable around Macs than I am. He was going to run some diagnostics on it

    to see if he could identify the problem.

     

    I will have a closer look at the logic board then too.

     

    Thanks again

     

    Regards

    Peter

  • by Raedwald,

    Raedwald Raedwald Mar 26, 2014 10:39 AM in response to K Shaffer
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    Mar 26, 2014 10:39 AM in response to K Shaffer

    Hello again

     

    Further to our conversation at the weekend, I now have the iBook back.

     

    I've tried to boot without the 1Gb in the expansion slot and the machine starts to boot then

    quits with the dark gray box appearing on the screen instructing me to switch off and re-boot.

    It doesn't get any further.

    I don't have a spare 1Gb chip but I do have a 256 chip and when I put that in the machine boots fine and shows 512Mb of RAM and on the profiler the on board 256 and the chip in the slot both show.

    There are 4 chips on the board below the expansion slot, which I assume is the on board 512Mb (4 x 128)

    Am I right in this assumption.

     

    The machine still does not chime on boot up, irrespective of which chip is in the slot. Would this indicate a failure of the RAM on the board?


    Regards

    Peter

  • by K Shaffer,Helpful

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Mar 26, 2014 11:27 AM in response to Raedwald
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    Mar 26, 2014 11:27 AM in response to Raedwald

    There is a fair chance the RAM on the logic board is defective

    yet reports it still is a 512MB capacity piece(s) of RAM. And the

    items you see on the logic board likely is the factory RAM.

     

    The 'gray box' instructions to restart the computer would be

    a Kernel Panic notice; and bad RAM is one of a few causes

    of that kind of notice. The other, closely related, indicates a

    bad logic board; however the suspect RAM lives there, too.

     

    Whether or not the iBook could still chime, with primary RAM

    on the logic board somehow disabled, is not something I am

    equipped to answer. But it could be contributing to this issue.

     

    And I am not sure how difficult or practical it may be to attempt

    to find out what kind of replacement chips could take the place

    of the failed? part(s) on the logic board. Some top-notch repair

    companies offer re-soldering services and have modern work-

    stations that do multiple solders on logic boards; so one of them

    may be worth contacting, in regard to this kind of repair. They

    could want to see the computer intact, to try & diagnose it.

     

    However some would put this kind of fee into a quote to repair;

    while some may choose to test the unit and get back to you on

    the quote. So if it seemed too high, you're not out money. I'd

    contact a few repair professionals to see what their story is.

     

    {Too bad you're far away from South Carolina, as wegenermedia

    .com there has the modern facilities to fix logic boards, & Macs.}

     

    The default soldered-in RAM likely has to work before the second

    slot registers to be considered enough RAM to boot the iBook. Yet

    there may be something else also amiss in this old iBook.

     

    So, I don't think I have much more to say about this...

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Mar 27, 2014 12:12 AM in response to Raedwald
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    Mar 27, 2014 12:12 AM in response to Raedwald

    Troubleshooting involves certain things to be consistant, otherwise the results change.

     

    {To not harm the prospective patient is part of troubleshooting. A neighbor down the

    road has a shooting range in his back yard, so he has been known to troubleshoot a

    few PCs. Maybe even a tidy yet unused iMac I gave them, which sat some years.}

     

    Had you indicated your source for a RAM chip was an early Intel-based MacBook, I

    would have been rather terse on my reply. Although my assessment of the status

    of the iBook G4 1.42GHz 14" portable is likely correct. Logic board may have failed.

    And with correct parts, all being equal to the task, troubleshooting is possible.

     

    This was a startling relevation, to discover your

    PPC iBook was trying to eat some Intel RAM.

     

    •How do I check the speed of onboard RAM?

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6033962?tstart=0

     

    However a PowerPC-based architecture made for one kind/type of RAM, it does not

    work with non-specified RAM, especially when it was intended for Intel-based Macs.

     

    Surprised iBook it was able to register at all; and this could also damage a logic board.

    And I covered iBook upgrade RAM specs in my first reply to your question, above.

     

    A good source of information is the download from http://mactracker.ca as well as

    the web site http://everymac.com - they cover many model specs & upgrade stats.

     

    Good luck & happy computing!