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1000appleuser1000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I'm interested in getting one of the software above (any version of premiere EXCEPT CC and this is not fcp X). Which one do you guys recommend (in terms of cost, performance, quality, etc)?


Final Cut Pro 7
  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,555 points)

    I know you said you don't want to consider Adobe CC, but . . .

    I switched to Adobe CC from FCS3 a little over a year ago, having been editiing on every version of FCP from version 1 up, and am very glad I did.

     

    There are improvements and functional additions in Premiere CC that are not in Premiere 6 that I use everyday, such as Direct Linking to Adobe Speedgrade, etc. These differences and improvements also fix some faults and what I felt were missing features and stability issues in Premiere 6 and below.

     

    I believe Adobe CC is the Final Cut 8 that many working editors were looking for, before Apple decided to take another route with FCP-X.

     

    Here is a video that showcases Premiere CC on the new MacPro, slicing through 4K video:

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZsUWV_8mI#t=705

     

    and here is a video that shows how all the components of Adobe CC working in the collaborative production environment:

     

    https://vimeo.com/89815965

     

    What works for me may not work for you, but I wanted to give you some more food for thought.

     

    MtD

  • 1000appleuser1000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I already know about the new stuff that CC has and what not. Thanks for your advice, but I don't want to subscribe to software for long term projects.

    But since you've used final cut studio 3, tell me how that went before the switch to cc.

  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,555 points)

    I'm not sure what you are asking, but -

    the switch to Adobe was pretty painless. Since the editing paradigm is the same as FCP7, it is really the task of learning the locations of buttons and the keyboard shortcuts. There is an option in Premiere preferences that allow you to use the same keyboard shortcuts that are in FCP7, in Premiere. I tried that for a month or so and then switched to the native shortcuts, to better get a feel of how the software engineers intended the system to be used.

     

    I keep a copy of FCP7 running and if I need to work on a legacy project, I can open it there and export a XML of the sequence, and open that XML in Premiere..

     

    When I was using FCP, I did most of my effects in After Effects anyway, so I was familiar with Adobe. Oddly, there is very little in common between AE shortcuts and PrePro shortcuts.

     

    Regarding the subscription model - I get that it is not for everybody. There are options - including FCP-X, or bunkering an FCP7 system and using it with additional software to convert new formats into FCP friendly codecs.

     

    MtD

  • 1000appleuser1000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I was asking how using FCP 7 was for you

  • Studio X Level 7 Level 7 (27,015 points)

    Final Cut Studio 3 (which includes FCP7) has been discontinued for a few years now. It is not supported by Apple and they have no reason to ensure that new OSX versions don't break the software. It is dead software at this point. Those of use who have used it for years keep on with it because switching is painful and we are still quick enough to make it work very well. If I was looking to purchase software for a long term relationship, I would not go there.

     

    I have used PP 5.5 and PP 6 as well as PP CC. I agree with MtD. The CC version is much better. It is stable enough to work reliably with long gop formats and I'm now using it to do simple fast turn around projects where the source material is AVCHD, H.264, etc.

     

    I suppose when my MacPro dies and apple has moved onto the next version of OSX, I'll probably be forced into a solidly Adobe workflow.

     

    x

  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,555 points)

    Hey, I love FCP and FCP7 in particular. Anyone could easily make a living using FCP7 and FCS3 . . . for now. The FCP7 workflow is currently still viable and usable in a collaborative environment - but it is hanging on by the skin of its teeth. It requires a lot of third party help to fit in with current creative workflow expectations.

     

    The problem is FCP7 is dead.It is what it is and it won't progress any further - while the post production world, and the hardware that is used - both in post and in computing in general- is changing by the micro second. So as time goes by, it is unable to capitalize on the available improved hardware (being a 32 bit application, for example), and cannot natively work with new production acquisition formats. The candle is burning on both ends.

     

    At some point - and who knows when that will be - FCP7 will switch from being a viable workflow to an esoteric, quaint one.

     

    MtD

  • 1000appleuser1000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So, which do you recommend overall: Ppro cs6 or fcp 7? (please don't recommend CC to me. That's not going to be an option for me. Also, i tried the trial and I didn't like it). But because of what you said about fcp7, I might look into fcp x if it's worst comes the worst.

  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,555 points)

    What are you using now?

     

    MtD

  • 1000appleuser1000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Adobe premiere elements 10 (I'm still a beginner as I got it a month ago)

    I am pretty experienced in iMovie 11 as well

  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,555 points)

    If you are just starting out - then you don't need to worry about editing paradigms.

     

    If your goal is to make great videos, deliver the finished versions to the web (YouTube, Vimeo, etc.) or broadcast, working mainly by yourself or with limited collaboration - no question, FCP-X.

     

    FCP-X has a free trial offer if your computer meets the specifications.

     

    Premiere Pro 6 is stuck like FCP7, it won't be improved. The world has moved on to FCP-X and Adobe CC.

     

     

     

    MtD

  • 1000appleuser1000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I already tried FCP X trial. It seems somewhat comfortable because I did use iMovie alot, but I wasn't sure whether to get it because I heard apple was dumbing down the software. So yeah. Any other suggestions before I really decide FCPX?

  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,555 points)

    I'm not sure "dumbing down the software" is correct, it seems to me they are just adjusting the paradigm of the software to make it easily accessible and understandable to the most users - and useful and appropriate for the purposes of those users. Most users aren't making feature films, or involved with projects that require extensive interchange between production departments.

     

     

     

    MtD

  • 1000appleuser1000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok. Thanks for your help. Any last suggestions before I make the purchase?

  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,555 points)

    Have fun, don't expect to master the application overnight, and training materials written by Tom Wolsky are excellent:

     

    http://www.fcpxbook.com

     

    MtD

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