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Apr 2, 2014 3:45 AM in response to Hileyby PeterBreis0807,Sorry I assumed a modicum of commonsense.
The title above says it all.
If you go repeating every single whinge about Pages 5 since it came out, the details on this list about Pages 5.2 will just get buried.
My reply to Tracy was to Tracy and was what it said, without waffle.
It is obviously a good idea to say what is broken not leave it totally vague. Many people simply get it wrong. If we don't even know what you are talking about how can we check?
This post is a systematic checklist. Lets stick to that. By all means do the watercooler in your own post.
Peter
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Apr 2, 2014 12:03 PM in response to PeterBreis0807by cosmofromwatertown,I was hesitant to try the new version as other versions of 5 did not respect file associations, once you opened up a document all Pages documents became associated with the new version - once a document was opened it was irretrievable in a prior version. I am happy to say that while the file association behaviour is a bit bizarre it now more-or-less does respects them. If you right-click on a document it says 5.2 as default, but it seems if you specify 4 it will respect that even though the default doesn't change what it says.
When you do open a document, as soon as you try to edit it, 5.2 asks if you want to make a copy. I did this, edited the copy, and then closed out the session. When I clicked on the original I was first met with the 'can't open/unknown developer' dialog, yet when I right clicked (allowing me to open it) it opened nicely with Pages 4 and has respected that decision since. Oddly, if I right click it stills says 5.2 as the default app even though if I double-click it opens in Pages 4!?!
You can add captions to pictures (which is necessary for what I do). Again, the behaviour is different, but there is now an extensive online manual to help. Essentially, pictures and text boxes are both considered objects which can be grouped. To be honest, once I got used to it I almost like this way better. Further, it does seem to 'know' when you are trying to make a caption by sliding elements around. While the prescribed way is better, you can still do it this way. However, the old way of inserting an image into a textbox doesn't work at all. Bullets also seem to work and have choices.
I opened a previously published book of mine to see if it would respect the formatting. It actually did a much better job than prior versions, but some captions worked, some were broken. The Table of Contents was a bit broken, and I have not found how to edit its styles. The help does say it is possible.
Document properties does not list a 6x9 standard book format, but you can create one from page setup under 'file.' Yet, it does not add it to the document list, just saying 'other', which disappears next time you use it.
Also, while writing this, I closed out the documents I was viewing while not exiting Pages 5. As soon as I started typing in Safari Pages shut down... odd...
The over all behaviour is certainly different and less intuitive (which would change through familiarity), but I was able to do most all of the things I could do with Pages 4. There are also several things I found new, such as importing a picture directly from a screen capture if you right-click at an insertion point.
In general, I could live with this, but two-up viewing is still broken, which is very helpful for book publishing. It might be a deal-breaker for me. I'm sure there are more hidden surprises, but at least I can now experiment without fear of breaking my old documents. Of course it would take time to get used to. I can't call it a totally polished product, it still feels a bit beta-ish. This is the version Apple should have released originally with a beta disclaimer.
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by PeterBreis0807,Apr 2, 2014 12:35 PM in response to cosmofromwatertown
PeterBreis0807
Apr 2, 2014 12:35 PM
in response to cosmofromwatertown
Level 8 (35,825 points)
Mac OS XWe have strayed off my intent to have this a point by point list of Pages 5.2 restored features and bugs..
1. File Association is an OSX function, and all Pages files are still all .pages
2. 5.01 asked before destroying files
3. Grouping a caption text box with an image is neither new nor the best method
4. It doesn't 'know' that you are trying to make a caption all it is doing is textwrap and aligning
5. The online manual has grown a bit but is far from comprehensive
6. Pasting an image into a TextBox has been broken since v5.0
7. T.O.C. text can be styled directly but does not have a saveable style as with Pages '09.
Most of the points you are making aren't really Pages 5.2 points.
I agree that it is getting closer to a beta release but still not full release status.
Peter
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Apr 2, 2014 1:36 PM in response to PeterBreis0807by VikingOSX,AppleScript support has expanded to include dictionary content as follows:
This lets me directly produce a list of unique fonts used in the current Pages document. Also, support for Services written in other scripting languages has been restored. My ruby script that sorts lists in place now works again.
Ongoing discoveries...
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Apr 2, 2014 5:43 PM in response to PeterBreis0807by PeterBreis0807,Pages 5.2 now exports .pdfs with links that work on all pages
Checked that urls now work past the first page.
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Apr 2, 2014 5:47 PM in response to PeterBreis0807by PeterBreis0807,The Insert icon on the Toolbar has changed
It is now a Paragraph symbol and the menu no longer contains Insert Page.
What was extremely awkward, and clumsy, simply adding more of the template design to the document, seems to have become totally frustrating and Apple has just hidden the fact by not making it available.
You can not copy and paste thumbnails inside, or across documents. I can see no sensible way of repeating a design.
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Apr 2, 2014 6:25 PM in response to PeterBreis0807by Jeff Shenk,Insert Page is still there for a Page Layout document, but it is Insert Page Break for Word Processing documents.
At any rate, without captured pages it is a pretty crippled function.
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Apr 2, 2014 6:43 PM in response to Jeff Shenkby PeterBreis0807,Yeah, incredibly so.
I tried to work my way around this but it is such a gaping hole, I can't imagine what the programmers are thinking. Captured pages whilst clumsily implemented and poorly documented, is an enormously powerful tool in Pages '09.
I can see no real use for the template designs in Pages 5, pathetic designs that they are, as they can't be extended and have such crude use of master objects.
This and the lack of facing pages are the main reason it remains nothing but a curiosity. I play with the drawing tools and that is about it.
Have they no contact with the original programmers, and was the original code totally undocumented?
Peter
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Apr 2, 2014 6:43 PM in response to PeterBreis0807by Jeff Shenk,It won't help between documents, but within a document, you can select a section in the thumbnails and use Edit Menu > Duplicate Selection to repeat it.
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Apr 2, 2014 6:48 PM in response to Jeff Shenkby PeterBreis0807,That is buggy.
My first crack at using that I selected an 8 page section and it duplicated only 4 pages.
Second shot worked. I simply don't trust it to get it all right.
See my issue with styles changing above, with the drag and drop move.
You will be having to micro check everything after every change to see that nothing has been altered or dropped off.
Peter
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Apr 3, 2014 5:04 AM in response to papalapappby PeterBreis0807,Yes but with no Before/After or Side margins, which you can see I used in Pages '09.
Peter
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Apr 3, 2014 12:20 PM in response to PeterBreis0807by theolog,Has anyone else encountered this selection bug? The goal is to select a line (i.e. paragraph) of text WITHOUT including the invisible carriage return at the end of the paragraph:
1. Place cursor at the beginning of a line of text that's followed by a carriage return
2. Holding down the shift key, press the down arrow to select the entire line of text:
3. In previous versions of Pages, if you continued to hold down the shift key and then pressed the left arrow, the carriage return would be unselected:
but in Pages 5.2, this is what happens:
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Apr 3, 2014 4:55 PM in response to theologby VikingOSX,In Pages v5.2, place the cursor at the beginning of the line you wish to select. Now, press shift+command+right-arrow to select everything up to, but not including the pilcrow symbol.





