How long do you expect a MBP mid-2012 non-retina 15inch (MD103LL/A) to last compared to MD102LL/A?

I am considering purchasing a 15inch MBP model MD103 over a 13inch MBP model MD102.


The 15inch is only available with the following configuration as brand new:

MD103LL/A2.3GHz Quad-core Intel i7 Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz

4GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB

500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm

15-inch Glossy Widescreen DisplayIntel HD Graphics 4000

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 512MB

Two USB 3 ports (up to 5 Gbps)


This would cost me $1449.00


While the 13inch model comes with this configuration:

MD102LL/A13.3-inch Glossy widescreen display

2.9GHz dula-core Core i7

8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x4GB

750GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm

Intel HD Graphics 4000Two USB 3 ports (up to 5 Gbps)


This would cost me $1229.00


I plan to max out the RAM a few months down the road when I can afford it. Also upgrade to the 1TB SSD from Samsung.


My question is how long do you expect either to last (assuming I have no hardware issues) with respect to software usage etc.


I expect to use:

iWork

iPhoto

Aperture

Lightroom

Photoshop

Corel Sketch

MS Office

Matlab

Autodesk Inventor

Solidworks

Matlab

Endnote

SPSS

Web browsing and the regular stuff.


I also expect to use these mildly

FCPX

iMovie

Some other video editing software.


Based on current technology and software, which would be a best buy for a long term usage? Should I even consider the retina range?


Thanks!


MacBook Air (13-inch Mid 2011), OS X Mavericks (10.9.1)

Posted on Apr 6, 2014 6:33 AM

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Apr 6, 2014 8:11 AM in response to mrdosa

My general rule of thumb when it comes to purchasing Macs is to get the best you can afford.


Any computer's life expectancy should be determined by the hardware - not so much the software. Hardware has a lot to do with "future proofing", especially with software upgrades like annual OS X releases. The software you have listed isn't terribly CPU intensive (outside of AutoCAD), moreso GPU and RAM "eaters".


How do you plan on treating your computer? Is it going with you every day, or is it more of a stationary machine that only requires occasional travel? Taking it with you everyday will certainly have an effect on the battery life - but for non rMBP machines, you can replace it yourself.


Ultimate Recommendation:


if you can afford it, I'd get a retina MBP. It's more future proof than the 2012 non-rMBP model since it can work with 4K video, not to mention it's thinner and lighter than the "fat" MBP, which will have a noticeable difference if it's a daily traveler. The "Iris Pro" onboard graphics are quite a bit better than the Intel HD4000. Remember to max your RAM to 16GB at purchase, since it's not upgradeable later.


if you want the non-rMBP - get the 15' model, no question. The discrete graphics card will provide more of a boost for your list of apps than upgrading RAM and HDD in the 13' alone.

Apr 6, 2014 9:06 AM in response to xtremecarbon

Thank you. I plan to occassionaly travel with the laptop in my backpack, typically when I am traveling outside my state. Based on my calculations of upgrades to 15inch MBP (non retina), it would come up to ~$2200.00 total. 13inch MBP (non retina), with ram and ssd upgrade would come up to $1729.00 total. The retina MBP 13inch with 16gb is coming out to close to $1800.00. And 15inch retina MBP around $2249.00


My budget now is ~$1500.00, so if I purchase a 2012 15inch non-rMBP, I plan to upgrade stuff later, as I need it.


I am not concerned about 4K display or the screen resolution.


So, will I be in a better position with 15inch non-rMBP for 4-5 years. Will it support 32GB if a module is available in the future? I like the fact that I can upgrade RAM and SSD. But I am not sure if the processor and GPU will hold good for future software updates etc.


Ideally, I would like to use this laptop for 5 years..! I am a dreamer.

Apr 6, 2014 9:35 AM in response to mrdosa

With RAM, it's highly unlikely that the computer will suddenly support 32GB. 16GB should be enough even with software app improvements (that would require more base RAM) to work on at least one intensive project at a time.


You're in good shape with the GT650M GPU, as it supports DirectX11, OpenGL/CL and CUDA, which either is or will be necessary in most pro software apps.


The CPU may only be an Ivy Bridge, but compared to Haswell (current), you aren't missing out too much in performance, Haswell is more focused on power efficiency rather than raw performance. Next year's (Q1 2015) Broadwell update will most likely increase performance, but it's not like the i3/5/7 schematic is going anywhere - you should be good with OS X updates for at least a few years.


Just remember to take care of your Mac. I'm on year 4 with my 13' MBP and while it hasn't had much travel time, I'm expecting it to last at least 2 more years. Only problem I have with it is the battery, which I can just replace myself at some point. Upgrading the RAM and HDD to an SSD will help exponentially.

Apr 6, 2014 9:58 AM in response to mrdosa

mrdosa wrote:


...Ideally, I would like to use this laptop for 5 years..! I am a dreamer.

Not necessarily. I'm on my fourth year with a Mac Pro and it's both current and going strong.


If you read through the posts on this forum, I think you'll find that the terminal event for a laptop tends to be coffee or soda in the keyboard or a two foot+ drop, not old age. Five years from now, it may no longer be eligible for the latest, greatest new OS, but, as the problems on the Mavericks forum suggest, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Snow Leopard has been around since 8/09 but it's only recently lost support for security issues and some people still miss it.


Personally, I agree with xtremecarbon about the Retima MBP, but what must be the longest thread on these forums is about Retina screen issues, which is something you won't have. I don't think you'll ever be able to upgrade the RAM to 32 GB since even if it's possible, the market would be very small, and the move is away from the current DIMM form factor. And with an SSD as the boot drive, any virtual memory used will still be very fast.


To keep it alive, I'd suggest treating it very carefully, keeping it away from liquids, and making sure it's capable of cooling itself (e.g., a hard surface is a lot better than a pillow for ventilation). And be aware that the threats to a computer are not only physical; it can be compromised by careless surfing on the Internet too.

Apr 7, 2014 9:02 AM in response to FatMac-MacPro

I have absolutely no idea of what you just mentioned! I will search for them and do as you suggested when I get the SSD installed. Thank you again!


My ultimate goal with these questions has been to identify which model I should purhcase now that will give me a working and useful computer for the longest period. And I believe I understand based on the above arguments which one to pursue.

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