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Help Mac-gyver Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I have recently lost my iPod touch device through property theft. I had iCloud on and "find my iphone" as well. I have found that no apple device can track without the help of cellular of wifi, however though using the device I can track my movements on mapping apps without actually being connected to any particular wifi or cellular network. This form of tracking does NOT work over iCloud functions, so there is no way for me to track my iPod touch. I have been told by Police to obtain my serial number which is registered to my apple account. What concerns me is that according to other posts people can hook my iPod touch up to another computer and iTunes, wipe it clean and re-register so they can use it themselves. Now I remember that when using older Microsoft programs I had to enter a serial number and register it online to use the program, and if all "uses" had been used I could not register and use that program. Similar I should assume applies to apple with its sophisticated policies, that a stolen device has to be registered before syncing with another computer by way of serial number and that I should get an email to say that somebody is trying to re-register my device on another computer. The same prompt system used for apple password changes. My main issue is that the iPod touch is forever registered to me unless I remove it, but does Apple allow a thief to register the same device, the same serial number twice? If that were so, there are laws in most countrys that would classify this as an accessory to a criminal act, allowing and encouraging a black market of stolen apple goods. Apple puts up a front with its "find my iphone" app, but doesn't the world agree that serial number tracking of registrations should play a part. I can give my serial number to the Police, but only apple will know if somebody has tried to register my device a second time. In short, can my iPod touch be wiped? (it is locked). Does apple have a policy indemnifying them of criminal black market activities? Can apple notify me if somebody tries to re-register my property? Can apple block re-registration attempts?


iPod touch, iOS 6.1.6
  • the fiend Level 5 Level 5 (7,700 points)

    Help Mac-gyver wrote:

     

    Does apple have a policy indemnifying them of criminal black market activities? Can apple notify me if somebody tries to re-register my property? Can apple block re-registration attempts?

    No, no and no.

  • Help Mac-gyver Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Just as I thought. Makes me wonder, why take the time to register? Now I know apple is providing assistance to criminals. Time to seek legal advice against apple. When you think about it, apple doesn't want us to track the devices because insurance just buys another keeping the business afloat. I wonder how many millions of dollars are spent of insurance money on stolen apple products all because they can't track a serial number.

  • gail from maine Level 6 Level 6 (14,250 points)

    What are you on about. The Find My iPhone Activtation Lock on iOS7 devices essentially initialtes a "kill switch" which will render your device useless to a thief.

     

    The app will continue to be able to connect with your phone whenever it is online, allowing it to be remotely wiped by you, allowing you to see where it was last connected with (for 24 hours), allowing you to put the device in Lost Mode and to put a message on the device in hopes that if an honest person finds it, they will return it.

     

    Beyond that, it is not Apple's job to go after criminals. That's what the police are for.

     

    If the phone is unusable, then Apple is not "allowing" criminals to go on using stolen phones, are they? They are unusable....

     

    You seem to be confusing Apple with Big Brother....

     

    GB

  • Help Mac-gyver Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Common... Read the posts, it is my iPod touch not an iphone.

    iCloud will only work when connected to a wifi and the only wifi it will connect to is my home wifi. Further find my iphone will only work if there is cellular credit. Obviously you haven't setup your device through iTunes where you would remember the process of registration to say 'yes this device officially belongs to me'.

    iTunes keeps a record of serial numbers and thoroughly assigns the serial number to you.

     

    All I have queried is if somebody COULD wipe the device and re-register it, then apple makes it easy to use a stolen device. Serial numbers are NOT hard to track especially if you have to register them, like apple. If a thief could re-register it, then that is a cyber-crime and a cyber crime like illegally downloading movies.

     

    What if somebody stole your car, and by what your saying the car registration office said 'not our problem, we don't assist the police'. Obviously the police have co-operation with the registration office to track the car by way of the vehicles VIN number and licence plate. I recently registered a car in my name and it required the VIN number (serial number), and if my car is stolen the police can track if somebody tries to re-register what officially belongs to me.

     

    Please take the novel approach and read before answering or commenting, I pointed out specifically in my original questions that this is a suituation where "find my iphone" will not work!..................

  • gail from maine Level 6 Level 6 (14,250 points)

    Why is the only Wifi it will connect to your Home Wifi? If someone steals it, and can find an open guest Wifi, it will go online....

     

    And just so you know, Find My iPhone is a generic term for all "Find My" apps.

     

    You said: What concerns me is that according to other posts people can hook my iPod touch up to another computer and iTunes, wipe it clean and re-register so they can use it themselves.

     

    What I said was - no they cannot. Period. It is a brick to them.

     

    So, your statement: All I have queried is if somebody COULD wipe the device and re-register it, then apple makes it easy to use a stolen device.

     

    Is invalid, because someone CANNOT wipe the device if you have your device signed onto iCloud and you have the Find My iPhone application enabled. Since they cannot wipe it, they cannot use it. Apple has made it virtually impossible to use a stolen device.

     

    Is there some other salient point you were making that I missed?

     

    GB

     

    BTW - of course, all of my devices are registered with Apple. For a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is NOT so they can catch a thief using one of my serial numbers.

  • gail from maine Level 6 Level 6 (14,250 points)

    Double post.

     

    GB

  • lllaass Level 10 Level 10 (154,065 points)

    gail from maine, you said

     

    "You said: What concerns me is that according to other posts people can hook my iPod touch up to another computer and iTunes, wipe it clean and re-register so they can use it themselves.

     

    "What I said was - no they cannot. Period. It is a brick to them.

     

    "So, your statement: All I have queried is if somebody COULD wipe the device and re-register it, then apple makes it easy to use a stolen device.

     

    "Is invalid, because someone CANNOT wipe the device if you have your device signed onto iCloud and you have the Find My iPhone application enabled. Since they cannot wipe it, they cannot use it. Apple has made it virtually impossible to use a stolen device."

     

     

    The OP said theyhave "iPod touch, iOS 6.1.6". That means they have a 4G. Theus, all onne has to do is place the iPod in recovery mode and restore via iTunes. Then they can use/sell the working iPod.

     

    iOS 7 introduced the Acivation Lock

    iCloud: Find My iPhone Activation Lock in iOS 7

    Which, while allowing restoring the device with recovery mode, does not allow use of the iPod unless the Apple ID andf Password of the previous owner is entered. Of the iPods, only the 5G iPod can go to iOS 7

  • gail from maine Level 6 Level 6 (14,250 points)

    Thanks for pointing that out lllaass....

     

    My apologies to Help Mac-gyver in overlooking your iOS version that you had clearly posted in your profile.

     

    Sorry about your iPod Touch....

     

    GB

  • JillVS Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    if you look on ebay you will find, for example, "ipod touch" for sale by the dozens. They are all listed by 1 seller who has numerous accounts. I believe it is a company called Gazelle out of Boston. They buy ipods and such via the mail and then resell. When they buy a used elcetronic product they do nothing to prevent it from being stolen.   Look on ebay for "ipod touch"..... you will see hundreds and it seems they are being sold by different folks but they are mostly being sold by 1 seller. APPLE supports criminal activity as it keeps them in business. THE BEST SECURITY MEASURE IS TO SCRATCH YOUR NAME ALL OVER THE CASE.

  • gail from maine Level 6 Level 6 (14,250 points)

    What?

     

     

    APPLE supports criminal activity as it keeps them in business.

     

    How is Apple supporting criminal activity? Gazelle is a well-known purchaser of used electronics. What they do to ensure that they are not purchasing stolen materials has absolutely zero to do with Apple....

     

    GB

  • lllaass Level 10 Level 10 (154,065 points)

    For info, this is what Gazelle does with regard to not accepting stolen/lost devices

    http://www.gazelle.com/law_enforcement

  • frankiec Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Hello,

     

    I would like to add that this July 2014, while I was vacationing with my family, we had our Apple products stolen from an apartment that we were renting.  We had our MacBook Pros, MacBook Airs, iPads, and an iPhone stolen.  We had all these devices setup with Find My iPhone and Find My Mac, and I have them all setup to Lock.  As of today, August 6, 2014, not one of these devices have shown up through my Find My iPhone app.  I find it extremely difficult to believe that these devices have not been turned on, or connected to the internet so far.  This leads me to believe that someone might have already found a way to break the Find My Device lock mechanism, unless these devices were stolen simply for scrap metal.

     

    Has this also happened to anyone else?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Frank

  • lllaass Level 10 Level 10 (154,065 points)

    Based ib posts here, some iOS 7 device are sold to unwary people who then find out that that can't activate them without entering the ID and password of the previous owner.

    Evn with iOS 7, the device an be placed in Recovery mode and restored but the ID and password of the previous owner has to be entered. In that state all they have is a hink brick that can also serve as a poor flashlight. The recommendation is to turn it into the police.

  • cyenni25 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yours is one of very few posts I have found that even addresses the issue of the unauthorized reregistering of a stolen device at all.  This happened to me recently so I've been trying to get info and it's strange that it's something nobody is talking about. My late 2009 Macbook was stolen while I was working at a summer camp in 2011.  I immediately reported the theft to the police with the serial number and registered it to my Apple account (which I stupidly had not done previously).  I also had been ignorant of iCloud and the options for free anti theft protection out there at the time.  Recently, while I was clearing out old unnecessary emails, I came across the confirmation email I received from Apple verifying the registration of my Macbook when I registered it at the time it was stolen.  I've never had need to log in to my Apple account in the past 3 years since I last did so to register the stolen computer so this prompted me to log in to my account to see if my stolen computer was still registered there.  It was not!!!!  I tried to add it to my devices with the serial number and a note appeared saying that this device was registered to another user.  I have only ever had one Apple ID and I changed the email address but kept the same account when the computer was stolen. I also deleted my old email address and changed my passwords at that time.  All the forums I read seem to claim that it is impossible to unregister a computer without access to the account it's registered with...unless you call Apple directly and present them with some special circumstance that you are able to prove (like buying a computer from Apple directly that was previously returned by a different buyer but not deregistered).  So I have no idea how it is possible, but clearly it is possible to steal someone's registration with no notification that this happened whatsoever.  I received no emails that my device had been removed from my account.  The only thing I can suppose happened is that the thief somehow gained access to my Apple account and deregistered it, but again, no emails notification?  And why wouldn't the thief try to lock me of my account or make purchases with it if that were the case.  Just really confused about how this happened seemingly easily without my knowledge even though there is a police report on this stolen computer.   I've contacted the police where my Macbook was stolen and they said they will contact Apple to get the information on who registered it and hopefully will be able to trace it back to the original seller/thief.  So I guess, ironically, it could end up helping me.  Crossing my fingers.

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