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12" Powerbook - battery & pram issues

I have a 12 Powerbood (1.5 Ghz) that I have barely used for about 5 years but aside from the monitor being pretty sad I THOUGHT the computer itself was still functioning OK.


In any case, having noticed the battery barely holds a charge,I installed the Coconut battery utility and while it reports the battery as being 33% capacity - to my surprise it says the battery is not charging.


So I began to research battery problems and one of the troubleshooting sugestions is to zap the pram.


To my surprise - when I hold down the correct keys on powering up, the computer is not registering the key commands and is starting up the OS as usual.


So I researched further and saw a suggetion to zap the pram via a command in 'open firmware', but when I start up with those key commands (Cmd/option/o/s) and the computer will not boot into open firmware either.


My question is:


1. Is it possible to reset the pram via Terminal? If so can someone tell me what to enter?


2. Are there any small utilities for Tiger that can zap pram? Going WAY back before OSX (maybe even before OS9) there was a nice little utility that would zap pram and clean up the desktop but I can't even remember what it was called anymore.


Thanks!


* For what its worth, the stats on my battery are:


- Current Battary Charge: 1431 mAh

- Maximum Battery Charge: 1469

- Current Battary Capacity: 1469 mAh

- Original Battery Cpacity: 4400 mAh


Battery-Loadcycles: 103

Charge Connected: Yes

Battery is charging: No

PowerBook G4 (12-inch 1.5 GHz), Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on May 9, 2014 10:45 PM

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Posted on May 9, 2014 10:50 PM

The following command will reset the PRAM if you're running Tiger:

sudo nvram boot-args=”-p -r”
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May 9, 2014 11:56 PM in response to nbar

The icon on the desktop says the battery is charging - but the Coconut utility that I just installed today says it isn't.


I did try resetting the PMU before I posted my original question - which didn't seem to make a difference insofar as the Coconut's 'not charging' status goes.


It IS a really old battery. I just would not really want to invest in a new one though if there is something significantly wrong with the computer itself.

May 10, 2014 1:07 PM in response to B Lee

In the System Profiler there is an area where battery and power specs

are reported; this should tell you if there is no chance of the battery

ever working.


Usually even a low Cycle-count battery of a certain age can be flat dead.


And the cure after a few years is a new replacement battery. These do

not store well even if never used, and unlike newer batteries in recent

model portables, these also have a short life no matter what.


Without a known-good battery, and a known-good AC Power Adapter,

most portables are difficult to troubleshoot. A third issue may exist

where after you find you do have a new battery and excellent as-new

power adapter (when both can be tested on a second known-good

PB G4) that you find the circuit known as "DC-in Board" had failed.


The OWC site shows replacement batteries for two sizes of G4 PB.

They have a good report from most Mac users, as a source of parts.


As a larger display model often shipped with SuperDrive, too, that is

the model using a higher spec battery. It also may be physically larger.

For the 12" model, their battery spec is correct with or w/o superdrive.


Some other brands or off-brands may be OK; reports of both extreme

experiences from amazon sellers of cheap cloned products vary.


Good luck 🙂

May 11, 2014 5:59 PM in response to K Shaffer

I used the computer with the battery to drain it a little bit, then plugged in the charger and various sources (cococnut, the system profiler, etc) DID show it charging so I guess is is working after a fashion (at only 33% capacity though). I guess I might try recalibrating it to see if it makes any difference. Unfortunately OWC no longer sells powerbook 12" batteries so I would have to buy one elsewhere.


My bigger worry is the fact that the computer will not accept keyboard commands to zap the pram or start up Open Firmware. Is this a symptom of some kind of major failure? Is there any diagonstic tool that can identify if something on the logic board or whatnot is not working?


I am persuing this because I want to use some graphics software that uses Tiger (which I'm running on the powerbook). If I don't feel confident in this computer I am going to look into a way to put a second drive in my old power mac running OS9, but it would be easier to use this powerbook.


Thanks!

May 11, 2014 10:20 PM in response to B Lee

As to the question or issue of battery replacements, you may have

to check up on any plausible source of quality product that can be s

erviceable, from sources other than Apple or OWC-macsales.


A search shows some results, but nothing within my limited experience.


•battery powerbook G4 12 inch - search results:

https://www.google.com/#q=battery+powerbook+g4+12+inch


Didn't check to see if powerbookmedic, ifixit.com, wegenermedia, powermax

or other companies who repair and sell these restored, have for parts to sell.


•PowerBook repair guides - iFixit.com:

http://www.ifixit.com/Device/PowerBook


So a good battery with at least a 12 month warranty should be available

from a reliable source who actually has a good product & customer svc.


Is this the correct battery for 12" G4 PowerBook (alu) Used w/ 6mo warr.

http://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/G4-Aluminum-12-Inch-Battery/IF153-019


How old is the PowerMac running OS 9? Is it a PowerPC G3 or G4?

Does it dual-boot OS X and OS 9, or run OS9 as Classic under X?


Depending on the power mac tower, the route should be easy if you

can find a suitable replacement drive (PATA IDE ATA) of vintage spec.

And if the software you need will run in the System the tower supports.


Some info is available for products in the downloadable database

of MacTracker.ca, and of course everymac.com has a fair bit, too.


Good luck 🙂

May 11, 2014 10:49 PM in response to B Lee

PS: you could see if a reconditioned iBook or PowerBook G4 in $300. range

could suffice to use the software you have that runs under Tiger 10.4.11; so

long as there is enough RAM and the hardware checked out OK.


If the keyboard itself has gone bum, or some circuit on the logic board, that may

be more costly to repair in addition to any other pending wear items. Does the

PowerBook G4 12" work OK with an external USB apple keyboard? It may not

like a newer model, so an older white polycarbonate may do where newer won't.


Oh, back to the PRAM battery question... they show one at iFixit but I didn't look

further to see exact model details... they say this is for PB/G4 models.-- incl 12??

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Replacing+a+PowerBook+G4+PRAM+Battery/3662


The older hardware prefers FireWire external drives with their own power supply

to help support external file storage or for use with bootable system OS X clones.


My earlier post timed-out while I was looking into some things, and I'd had trouble

with the Apple support discussions several times a day, and so didn't get back in.


Some amazon resellers offer various replacement batteries; seems it is easier to

find an iBook G4 12" 1.33GHz battery for a lower cost there, than some others.

http://www.powerbookmedic.com/Aluminum-G4-12-Li-Ion-Rechargeable-Battery-p-16665 .html


Anyway, hopefully this helps somewhat. 🙂

May 12, 2014 6:31 PM in response to K Shaffer

FYI - I have a powerbook 12" 1.5 Ghz G4 - a little over 10 years old. My research indicates that 12" models do not have pram batteries but the pram is somehow maintained in the 'main' battery.


t's funny how trying to figure out my battery situation has uncovered what seem like much more profound issues. Can't zap the pram, can't start the computer from the install CD to run a hardware test. Cannot turn off File Vault on one of the 3 accounts on the computer.


At this point I'm just hoping I can turn off File Vault to get a clone of my stuff. The computer may be a lost cause even though it 'seems' to run OK on the surface. I agree that buying a used powerbook would probably be a lot cheaper than trying to rehab this one.

May 12, 2014 7:56 PM in response to B Lee

Some models of Apple portable use a capacitor to

act as PRAM battery, and they too wear out.


You could try & rescue the content available from that PowerBook's hard disk drive, & consider getting an estimate to have the computer repaired; this would require a reasonably thorough diagnostic, & a repair would also likely include new parts or refurbished ones; perhaps even tested good ones from donor PB/G412s.


I have a PB G4 1.33GHz 12" that has issues and in a discussion with someone at wegenermedia in SC, given the four or five things requiring repair (parts replacement, maybe even one solder in logicboard; they do complex repairs and have modern workstations for this) it would be affordable to the extent of practical function. Of course, for that kind of money, I could upgrade an as-new iBook G4 1.33GHz 12" with low run time, to SSD, and get a new battery. Ultimately these would still be G4s, to be able to only run whatever software available to Leopard OS X 10.5.8. A later model MacBook 13-inch, circa 2009 or '10 has more forward mobility at less cost.


And my first-edition MacBook1.1 coreduo 1.83GHz can run circles around a last model PowerBook 1.5GHz; it can run as new as Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and with 2GB RAM, that is a fair gain.


So the matter of attachment to an old car that is comfortable, and is a memory of some other time, may be fine. But if you do restore it, be sure to get a complete spare and whatever hard parts looking forward. Even then it will someday no longer run at all. Some people collect gems instead since they are small & portable.


Good luck! 🙂

May 14, 2014 12:36 PM in response to K Shaffer

I was only using a little over half the powerbook's HD capacity but after trashing some big files, was FINALLY able to turn off File Vault on my major user account thus making it possibe to make a good clone of the contents.


I really don't have THAT much attachment to the computer (although I have a really nice like-new case for it!) , its just I thought I could use it to run some OS 10.4 graphics programs off of it. I might try erasing the computer and re-installing from the clone for the heck of it but it probably is a hardware problem that is not worth fixing.


Anyway, thanks for all the feedback!

12" Powerbook - battery & pram issues

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