Crossover beta released

http://www.codeweavers.com/beta/cxmac/download/

I'm just downloading the trial now. But, apparently this is supposed to allow you to run Windows software without the need for Windows itself.

Mac Pro 2.66, Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Posted on Aug 31, 2006 9:47 AM

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Aug 31, 2006 8:36 PM in response to JoshD

This software is a very exciting development as it allow the running of Win XP applications directly under Mac OS X.

However I'm sure Win Vista apps would be a whole different animal as Microsoft most definably realizes the threat this software poses to them.

But it shouldn't be long before Vista apps too will run directly under Mac OS X.

Of course a lot depends how future applications are locked to certain OS's and hardware.

Sep 1, 2006 12:09 AM in response to ds store

Security concerns here....

http://www.codeweavers.com/beta/cxmac/forum/?t=1
you might be exposing your mac to win xp s problem .. ill stick with parallels
Windows is such a security threat virtualisation is a necessity to keep macs safe from all the malaware WinXp carries.


MacPro 2.66 8GB Ram 4*500GB Gforce 7300 Mac OS X (10.4.7) mac os X server 10.4.7 Universal.

Sep 1, 2006 11:10 AM in response to JoshD

User uploaded fileInteresting product. OS/2 users have a similar-type product called Odin and it allows OS/2 users to run Win32 (Windows 95 and Windows NT) applications in OS/2 Warp operating system natively, almost as if they were intended to be OS/2 applications. It also makes porting from Win32 to OS/2 easier by providing a Win32 API implementation in OS/2: the Odin32 API.

Unfortunately it has never taken off or had much success whereas CrossOver may be an excellent solution for Mac users who need to run a few of those MS apps that aren't available to them in the Mac World. I'm thinking of two MS apps such as PMView and Embellish (originally OS/2 native apps rewritten for Windows). If I can run these two apps using CrossOver I'd be a very happy camper.

I'm not sure if I understand exactly how CrossOver works: do I need a copy of Windows or does CrossOver simulate Windows enough for certain Win3.1/95/2000/ME to work?

More info please, especially from those who have actually tried the product.

Tim...

3Ghz Mac Pro / 20" iMac, 13" BlackBook, Black iPod - ALL fullly loaded Mac OS X (10.4.7) 30" Cinema, HPColorLJ Printer, LaCie 600Gig External & LaCie DVDRW/CDRW Drives

Sep 1, 2006 1:53 PM in response to OS2Guy

You can think of crossover exactly like odin - it intercepts and translates win32 api calls into native os calls. Crossover is a commercial version of the Linux WINE project (they have a symbiotic relationship - codeweavers contributes a lot to the WINE project in general).

WINE is an open-source project released under the LGPL. It requires no windows license to operate (you do still need a legal license of the software you want to run on top of it, however!). It is a clean-room implementation built using published microsoft API guides (none of the questionable code ownership or license tainting issues which haunted odin). They are not beholden to microsoft, but microsoft CAN break their product by introducing new api variants (not so much a problem for older apps, since win32 API has been stable for years, but newer apps can be a challenge)

More info on WINE here: http://www.winehq.org/ (warning: heavy geek content)

I've got a few linux customers who purchased crossover simply so they could run Visio without having to boot windows. It works extremely well for the short list of applications listed on their supported application list ( http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/supported_apps/). If your app isnt on the list, it may or may not function properly (unless you want to do a bunch of command-line jiggery pokery, and even then results are mixed)

I've used WINE on linux for years, with varying degrees of success. If you're a web developer working on a non-windows platform, it allows you to test your design on different versions of ie without rebooting (though you should be warned that there can be rendering differences between ie on windows and ie on crossover/WINE).

In my case, I'd rather use a virtualization product like parallels or vmware- first, it keeps windows in its own little sandbox where it cant do any damage to your host; second, you aren't dealing with emulation, you are running the actual application on the actual target platform - in my web example above, for instance, ie renders pages EXACTLY as the customer running windows does. It also allows for virtual machine snapshot support, which allows me to return a machine to a known state easily (no simple task on an actual windows box)

Crossover is great if you just want to run a handful of windows apps without leaving your nice osx environment. Don't asssume that software not on the compatibility list will work - odds are that it wont.

Parallels will have a mac pro version working soon, and will probably beat VMWare out the door with the product (and at less than 1/3 of the price of VMWare, to boot). $60 for crossover which can run a few applications but doesnt require a windows license, $80 for parallels that can run a number of virtualized operating systems but requires OS licenses.

Mac Pro Quad Xeon 2.66 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Sep 1, 2006 2:02 PM in response to Steven Davidson

Oh, one more point on this whole crossover office issue - if you think you need crossover to run office (word, excel, etc) for compatibility with windows colleagues/friends/etc, there are other viable options.

I've used open office for a few years, freely exchanging documents with windows customers, and they are none the wiser. NeoOffice is the native Acqua port of open office, works extremely well, is a universal binary, and is free (open source).

Office:mac...ugh. That product makes me cringe, mostly because they seem to have read the mac application guidelines and intentionally avoided each and every one of them.

Sep 4, 2006 10:32 PM in response to JoshD

Okay, as everyone should be aware Crossover is very early beta software and thus you should expect to have problems when trying to use this software (there, you have been warned). But, I just tried Crossover with Google's PIcasa photo utility and it seems to work. I was able to edit and save a file and the results looked pretty good. I've been waiting for a release of Picasa for the Mac for several months now, but with Crossover (beta is free) and the existing Windows version of Picasa (also free) it could be that my wish has been fulfilled (in kind of a "back door" way).

I'd still like to see a Mac native version of Picasa, but it's pretty wild to see the Windows version run so easily on my Mac Pro. Install the Crossover beta, download the Picasa executable from Google, Launch Crossover, go through the unsupported software install that is part of Crossover -- select the Picasa executable -- and it pretty much just works. One apparent issue reported by another user, you shouldn't try to display or use video files, but based upon my very limited testing still images seem to work fine.

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