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Q: Aspect ratio when exporting to DVD

Newbie - forgive me but have been struggling with this one for days.

 

Have a project - 5 min film - in FCP X and really struggling to export it to DVD using the share command - it will copy fine but the original is in 1920 x 1080 and the DVD share option automatically selects to burn at 720 x 576.  Inevitably the output is skewed and the altered ratio means that there is lost image around the edges.

I need to have this project outputted onto DVD.

I have tried exporting via the Blue Ray option and using the DVD disc option instead of the 'Hard Drive (Blu Ray)' option under Settings/Output Device but although this process seemed successful the DVD would not play on either a DVD player or Blu Ray Player.

 

Is there any way of exporting direct to DVD in 1920 x 1080 or similar locked aspect ratio (eg 1280 x 720 etc) or of altering the default output setting for DVD sharing?

I don't have compressor, I don't have DVD or Blu Ray burner software and surely FCP X can do this?

 

I have altered the format of the original file into various aspect ratios but irrespective, the output ratio is always the same incorrect ratio of 720 x 576.

 

In anticipation of your help, thank you and please keep your answers in plain language - am new to FCP X and macs!

 

Thank you

 

LizW

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on May 17, 2014 2:00 PM

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  • by Russ H,Helpful

    Russ H Russ H May 17, 2014 3:20 PM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 17, 2014 3:20 PM in response to Woodlandliz

    Woodlandliz wrote:

     

      Inevitably the output is skewed and the altered ratio means that there is lost image around the edges.

     

    Hey Liz,

     

    Not sure what you mean by skewed,  Are you in PAL land (what country)? If it's giving you a 576 output file, your video is presumably 25 frames per second (the PAL standard).

     

    Assuming it is PAL, then the frame size is correct. FCP will export it as anamorphiic so it will display wide screen. But there is no getting around the fact that the resolution will be SD.

     

    If your video is under 35 minutes, you could choose the Blu Ray preset and output it to your DVD optical drive, That will produce an AVCHD disk, which is far higher quality than DVD, but m\less than true Blu Ray. It should play in a Blu Ray player.

     

    Best of luck.

     

    Russ

  • by fox_m,Helpful

    fox_m fox_m May 17, 2014 3:36 PM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 17, 2014 3:36 PM in response to Woodlandliz

    I gave up on DVD a couple of years ago (when DVD Studio Pro was "abandoned"), so somebody else might have a better suggestion.

     

    One of the problems with DVD is that it is always the same resolution: 720x480 (or 486).   16:9 playback is achieved by setting the Anamorphic flag which changes the aspect ratio and the resultant video is approximately 854 x 480 (in square pixels.)  If your DVD player is set up correctly, the Anamorphic version should play full screen on an HDTV set without letterboxing (or pillarboxing). You might also need to change your tv settings to play "Wide" and not "Normal" (there's usually a button on the remote to make that easy). So check your DVD again.

     

    If changing your TV settings doesn't make a difference:

     

    I would recommend duplicating your project (you will be downgrading resolution). Then, in the Info Inspector, click on the Modify Settings button. From the dialog, change the Video Properties to

    NTSC SD  >  720x480 DV Anamorphic  >  29.97p (for a progressive disc.) 

    As far as I can tell, you should not need to make any further modifications to the project (for example, resizing titles, etc...) Everything should fit.  Share to DVD should be a no-brainer from there.

     

     

     

    HTH

  • by Woodlandliz,

    Woodlandliz Woodlandliz May 18, 2014 6:29 AM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 18, 2014 6:29 AM in response to Woodlandliz

    Thanks for the above.. Russ, I'm in the UK so PAL region.  And by skewed I mean once outputted to DVD and played through the DVD player, the bottom of the screen and some of the side is cut off the view the image there is lost.

     

    Unfortunately I need to be able to produce DVDs of this work without having to ask the recipients to adjust their TVs in order to view it fully - DVDs that just plug and play effectively.

    Fox - I tried adjusting the settlings to PAL SD (since I'm not in the NTSC region) and setting up output for DV anamorphic as you described but the same issue occurs. 

     

    On the Share -> DVD settings, the default setting which will determine how the DVD is burned (in the settings/information bar across the bottom of the screen) is the wrong aspect ratio at 720 x 576 i.e it is a different aspect ratio to the original file which is 16:9 (1980 x1080) and when produced the DVD is inevitably displaying in this 720 x 576 ratio and so is cutting off some of the original image around the edges.

    Selecting the Blu-Ray option should work as the output resolution/aspect ratio is 1980 x 1080, but when I burned an AVCHD disc this way it would not play in either a DVD or a Blu Ray player!

     

    So I still have the original issue of outputting straight to DVD in a format that maintains all of the image when viewed on a standard DVD player.

    Any more help greatly appreciated!

  • by Russ H,

    Russ H Russ H May 18, 2014 6:40 AM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 18, 2014 6:40 AM in response to Woodlandliz

    Woodlandliz wrote:

     

     

    On the Share -> DVD settings, the default setting which will determine how the DVD is burned (in the settings/information bar across the bottom of the screen) is the wrong aspect ratio at 720 x 576 i.e it is a different aspect ratio to the original file which is 16:9 (1980 x1080) and when produced the DVD is inevitably displaying in this 720 x 576 ratio and so is cutting off some of the original image around the edges.

     

    Again, the DVD output will be SD (720X576), but it will be automatically flagged as anamorphic (re-sized to 16:9) if the original video setting is PAL 1080 (or 720). Specifically, that means it must be set to 25 frames per second. Are those the project settings?

     

    I don't know why the AVCHD disk didn't play in your Blu Ray player. It should. However, they will never play in a DVD player.

     

    Russ

  • by Woodlandliz,

    Woodlandliz Woodlandliz May 18, 2014 6:58 AM in response to Russ H
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    May 18, 2014 6:58 AM in response to Russ H

    Russ

    The original video format is 1080p HD, resolution 1920 x 1080 and 25 fps.

    I can't see an anamorphic option with these settings, and if it is automatic then why is it not displaying the end product correctly?

    Thanks again Russ

    Liz

  • by Russ H,

    Russ H Russ H May 18, 2014 8:01 AM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 18, 2014 8:01 AM in response to Woodlandliz

    Taht's really puzzzling. Could you export a short section of your video as a Master File and open in QuickTime – and post a screen shot of the Movie Inspector Report?

     

    Here are some screen shots of a 1080 PAL video. I have chosen a slide show with 3:2 images to emphasize the circle shape and the rectangle that extends to nearly the width of the frame.

     

    Screen shot 2014-05-18 at 10.24.05 AM.png

     

    I then export as Share>DVD. Note the 720X576 frame size bottom left.

     

    Screen shot 2014-05-18 at 10.31.57 AM.png

     

    Here, I have opened the VOB file after export in VLC (DVD PLayer will not support a screen shot).

     

    Screen shot 2014-05-18 at 10.47.56 AM.png

    As you can see the circle shape is not distorted (so the anamorphic data was read correctly). Nor is anything cropped in display – since the entire rectangle is shown and the width of the black bars is unchanged.

     

    Russ

  • by Woodlandliz,

    Woodlandliz Woodlandliz May 18, 2014 8:37 AM in response to Russ H
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    May 18, 2014 8:37 AM in response to Russ H

    Hi Russ

     

    Screen Shot 2014-05-18 at 16.09.37 copy.jpg

    Screen Shot 2014-05-18 at 16.10.38 copy.jpg

     

     

    I have enclosed the QuickTime Image and info.

    Interestingly, when I played the DVD back on the same macbook I am using to edit with FCP and burn the DVD (via external Superdrive), the image and resolution was absolutely fine.  When I insert the disc into any DVD player or Windows PC it crops the edges off.  This despite changing settings on both the DVD player and TV too all possible aspect ratios, widescreen, normal etc.

    When I say crops the edges, what is happeneing is this - if you see just to the left of centre at the very bottom of the screen there is a little stalk with two small buds on it - on the playback on DVD players these are almost entirely missing off the bottom of the screen.  Similarly along the left edge of the screen - the main branch in the shot above has some green moss-like growth nr the edge of the screen - on playback this is entirely missing/gone off the left edge of the screen.

    I am completely confused why the output is different on my mac from other platforms.  I need to deliver a professional DVD for playback and I can't be asking people to adjust all manner of settings to see the film in full!

    Thanks again

  • by Russ H,

    Russ H Russ H May 18, 2014 9:05 AM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 18, 2014 9:05 AM in response to Woodlandliz

    Liz, I believe what you're running into is overscan, a display issue which is addressed in these two articles.

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5841

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/hd-101-overscan-and-why-all-tvs-do-it/

     

    Agree it's annoying to have to deal with, but I think Fox_m and I both thought you were describing a more extreme case where the frame shape was not displayed as 16:9 because of the set's (or player's) failure to read the DVD as anamorphic.

     

    BTW. if you open your project in FCP and click the Viewer Display oprtions, Overlays to display Action Safe, my guess is that what you see outside the overlays will represent approximately how much is being cropped.

     

    Screen shot 2014-05-18 at 11.56.38 AM.png

     

    So, as Fox_m first mentioned, one option is to have viewers who "notice" (hard to imagine those who would unless they had 2 versions to compare) adjust their sets; another is to re-scale your video.  Good luck with the project.

     

    Russ

  • by Woodlandliz,

    Woodlandliz Woodlandliz May 18, 2014 9:26 AM in response to Russ H
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    May 18, 2014 9:26 AM in response to Russ H

    Russ, I think that is exactly it - thank you!!  The area outside the Action Safe lines is indeed largely similar to that which is cropped.

    Informative articles too..

    Now sorry about the inevitable but how do I rescale the whole project to resolve this issue?  Might seem pedantic but unfortunately a lot of the film is shot in close-up so this makes a huge difference to the end product!

    You've been most helpful.

  • by Russ H,

    Russ H Russ H May 18, 2014 10:03 AM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 18, 2014 10:03 AM in response to Woodlandliz

    To make certain it will fit on every set you would need to rescale it to 90% before export. In other words, ensure that the entire image is contained within the Action Safe zone.

     

    It's your call but if it were my video, I probably would not do that. Different TV's will vary somewhat in overscan amount and so it's very likely the viewer will see  aslightly letterboxed image. The irony is that the ones that are set up correctly will be the most affected; they will see the most black.

     

    So it's really a question of trade-offs: whether you feel potential letterboxing for some viewers is better than the loss of content for others.

     

    Russ

  • by Woodlandliz,

    Woodlandliz Woodlandliz May 18, 2014 10:35 AM in response to Russ H
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    May 18, 2014 10:35 AM in response to Russ H

    This may sound silly, but is there anything I do after rescaling and prior to exporting?  I've allowed the background rendering to complete before exporting but despite rescaling to 90% (and beyond even to reach the inner lines) my output on DVD is exactly the same when viewed on the television i.e. still having overscan to the same degree!

     

    Am I missing an important step that ensures the rescaling has had an effect before I export it?  I am exporting without changing any settings/resolution/aspect ratios now, just the standard default ones.

  • by Woodlandliz,

    Woodlandliz Woodlandliz May 18, 2014 10:55 AM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 18, 2014 10:55 AM in response to Woodlandliz

    Just to clarify, I highlighted the project in the project library and rescaled in the viewer - I'm not entirely sure I've rescaled the whole thing?

    Is there a quick way of rescaling all the video clips within the project?

  • by Russ H,Solvedanswer

    Russ H Russ H May 18, 2014 11:04 AM in response to Woodlandliz
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    May 18, 2014 11:04 AM in response to Woodlandliz

    Here's another clip rescaled, exported as disk image with the VOB opened in MPEG Streamclip. In this case, I selected the entire timeline and created a compound clip. Then rescaled the clip to be (a little smaller than) Action Safe dimensions.Screen Shot 2014-05-18 at 1.56.13 PM.png

     

     

     

    Russ

  • by Woodlandliz,

    Woodlandliz Woodlandliz May 18, 2014 11:33 AM in response to Russ H
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    May 18, 2014 11:33 AM in response to Russ H

    Russ, you've been a massive help! The overscan and rescaling solved the issue- because of the close-up nature of the film I'm happy to go with black lines around the edge because too much was lost otherwise.

    I have spent hours upon hours trying to sort this and you hit the nail on the head. 

    Thank you for your help.

    One day i hope I can give back to the forum, but for now, truly appreciated.

    Best wishes

    Liz

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