9 Replies Latest reply: Jan 20, 2015 9:50 AM by BDAqua
Limnos Level 8 Level 8 (43,005 points)

I've been pondering setting up a WiFi connection here at home.  Not that we really need one since we only have one computer in regular use, but maybe 3 times a year we might have need for one (e.g., a house guest, using Facetime with my wife's iPhone).  Our ISP is capped at 1Mbps so we don't need anything lightning fast.  I don't think we need wireless printing or wireless drive access, so likely even when it is turned on we won't need anything fancy.

 

Options.  I guess one thing to do would be for me to reinstall the third party wireless card into the G4. I took it out since we don't use it and figured it was one more thing to potentially cause problems.  However, I believe one can set up the computer itself as a WiFi hotspot.  The other options are now numerous.  I spent the weekend hitting up the garage sales, and after spending about $3 on routers and checking the "free" boxes I now have the following models sitting on my desk:

 

Netgear WNR1000 v2

Netgear WGR614

D-Link DIR655

Belkin F9K1103V1

Airport Extreme A1034 (this is the one I actually spent the $3 on and was the first one I found)

 

The Netgear WNR1000 was in a free box when the sale was taking place so I don't know if there was a reason for that (it is kind of hard to ask about working condition when something is free). It is missing the power supply, so maybe tht's why they didn't bother trying to sell it, but I am hoping I can find one that works for it (it looks like something I would probably be able to match using the box with about 25 miscellaneous power supplies I have scavanged).

 

I have another similar flying-saucer shaped AE that I bought last year.  It came without a power supply and I discovered it it isn't a standard design so I stuck it in the basement pending discovery of a power supply.  I am not sure where the AE is right now but it looks similar.  I don't know if Apple changed models without changing form factor.  I think the power supply for my AE purchased yesterday would work with the newer one.

 

As far as I can tell it seems the Belkin and the Netgear WNR may be the newest models.

 

Which of these play nicely with a G4 running Tiger? 

 

Are there any preferences in terms of security or am I basically limited by what is on my computer anyway?

 

I don't really need 6 wireless routers sitting in a box in my basement so my plan is to keep 2 (one for backup in case of equipment failure) and take the others to a thrift store donation center, so I am wondering which are the keepers.


G4 Quicksilver 2x1GHz 250/120GB HDs, Mac OS X (10.4.11), OS9.2.2, iTunes7.5, QT7.4&QTP2.5.1
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,360 points)

    However, I believe one can set up the computer itself as a WiFi hotspot.

    I think that is your best option, only drawback is what encryption is available.

     

    USB Wifi adapters provide better encrytion than the built in one usually.

     

    Just recently someone returned to me a 10.4.11 compatible one... contact me on my site if you'd lik it.

  • rccharles Level 5 Level 5 (6,480 points)

    All low cost wireless routers are about the same.  Most have a small reset button. Should turn off security. Any one can connect.  A few older wifi routers may not work with the iPhone. Most you can configure with a web browser except for apple.  You need an app.  You will have to search the pdf for the device to find the admin ip address. try 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 as first guesses.  adminid = admin  password = password or 1234

     

    google query may also be good.

     

    here is the netgear info:

    http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1148/~/default-web-interface-passw ord-for-netgear-devices

     

    remember that wep and no encryption are about the same.

  • Limnos Level 8 Level 8 (43,005 points)

    rccharles,

     

    At what point is the encryption taking place?  In the router hardware I would think, but don't know. Anything G4 vintage (probably my wireless card, probably the two AE routers with copyright 2003 printed on the base, maybe the earlier Netgear router) would only have WEP? Using one of the newer model routers would take this up to WPA or WPA2 (according to their manuals) as long as the encrytion takes place in the router.  My G4 would, of course, retain a wired connection.

  • rccharles Level 5 Level 5 (6,480 points)

    At what point is the encryption taking place?  In the router hardware I would think, but don't know.

    It's with the router. Don't know either. I know some routers added WPA via software.  I'd assume software in the router.  It's whatever is cheaper to implement.  Hardware software is all the same at this level.  Hardware implements an algorithm.  Software implements an algorithm.

     

    Anything G4 vintage (probably my wireless card, probably the two AE routers with copyright 2003 printed on the base, maybe the earlier Netgear router) would only have WEP? Using one of the newer model routers would take this up to WPA or WPA2 (according to their manuals) as long as the encrytion takes place in the router.  My G4 would, of course, retain a wired connection.

    Not sure where you are driving. I believe that wep -- wired equivalent protocol,  something like that -- was shipped with first routers to take away the worry factor from worrying folks.   I get the drift that the later versions of the encryption standards were to fix holes in earlier stuff.  Wifi doesn't travel too far anyway.  Some encryption is always better then none.  Wired transmits signals too.

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,360 points)

    The encryption is between the computer & the Router.

     

    There were 2 different original Airport cards, 1st one only does wep, 2nd one needed a Firmware update to do WPA, but only when Airport went to the Extreme version did WPA2 work, most USB Wifi dongles can do WPA2.

  • Limnos Level 8 Level 8 (43,005 points)

    Ended up going with the most recent Netgear.  Found a power supply in the box in which I accumulate power supplies.  Ended up 'needing' wifi after my wife bought a brand new MacBook Pro in August.  It is reporting as WPA2 and seems plenty powerful enough to reach around our house.  She mostly uses her cell data for iPhone use but she did mention having to turn off wi-fi on her phone because on a day we had network interference slow-down (neighbor interference on our channel-locked ISP wi-fi service) it was connecting to our home system.  In other words, it the iPhone 5s does seem to work with it.

  • Limnos Level 8 Level 8 (43,005 points)

    Not sure where you are driving. I believe that wep -- wired equivalent protocol,  something like that -- was shipped with first routers to take away the worry factor from worrying folks.   I get the drift that the later versions of the encryption standards were to fix holes in earlier stuff.  Wifi doesn't travel too far anyway.  Some encryption is always better then none.  Wired transmits signals too.

    I just wasn't sure where the encryption was taking place.  My computer dates from 2002, with an OS dating from 2005.  If it was taking place in the computer it would be up to 2002 or 2005 standard (WEP, maybe WPA2).  If it was taking place in the router it would be up to a much newer standard.  Since my rooftop wi-fi receiver sees our router as WPA2 it seems the encryption is being done in the router, not in the computer.

  • ippolito1it Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi

    I have installed  on my g5 os10.4   an Asus  wireless key but when  I open and try to connect  with profile  this is the answer:

     

    please enable WLAN card  in the network item of system preferences

     

    but i cannot find  it

     

    something wrong   and what  can i do  to  connect?

     

    I  have 1 Macbbok air   and 1 ipad  all connect  with wifi

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,360 points)

    In Sys Pefs>Network>Show:>Network Port Configurations, have you gotten New Port Detected yet & said OK?