Mac Pro 3.1 black screen, loud fans

Since I was able to make a time machine few days ago, I've decided to move to el capitan for the third time... not really happy about that but I've to try something.

I did the update yesterday,

This morning , It crashes during the startup, just before/when apple screen shows... blackout & fans full speed.

I restarted, now it seems to be good so far. But since the system hadn't boot when last crash occurred I don't have any log report to post or identify something.

Seems to be hardware or firmware? not soft? what could I try then?

Well it still crashes under 10.11.4....

..

I'm quite desperate now what more can I do?

Last log report before crash, no new kernell or crash report

Apr 3 15:06:30 Mac-Pro-de-paul- syslogd[39]: ASL Sender Statistics

Apr 3 15:11:12 Mac-Pro-de-paul- CalendarAgent[282]: [com.apple.calendar.foundation.accounts] [An OAuth token doesn't exist for @gmail.com (77C130C1-31A5-42FF-86F9-B3ECF86A4ABD).]

Apr 3 15:11:13 --- last message repeated 3 times ---

Apr 3 15:11:13 Mac-Pro-de-paul- CalendarAgent[282]: [com.apple.calendar.store.log.caldav.queue] [Account refresh failed with error: Error Domain=CoreDAVHTTPStatusErrorDomain Code=401 "(null)" UserInfo={AccountName=Google, CalDAVErrFromRefresh=YES, CoreDAVHTTPHeaders=<CFBasicHash 0x7ffd33e6b1c0 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{type = immutable dict, count = 15,

entries =>

0 : Content-Type = <CFString 0x7ffd33e33740 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "application/vnd.google.gdata.error+xml; charset=UTF-8"}

1 : Www-Authenticate = <CFString 0x7ffd33e141a0 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "basic realm="Google APIs""}

3 : alt-svc = <CFString 0x7ffd33e3bc90 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "quic=":443"; ma=2592000; v="32,31,30,29,28,27,26,25""}

4 : alternate-protocol = <CFString 0x7ffd33e36270 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "443:quic"}

5 : Content-Encoding = gzip

6 : x-clienttoken-request = true

7 : Server = GSE

8 : Expires = <CFString 0x7ffd33e11730 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:11:12 GMT"}

9 : x-xss-protection = <CFString 0x7ffd33e3af30 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "1; mode=block"}

12 : Cache-Control = <CFString 0x7ffd33e26c50 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "private, max-age=0"}

13 : Date = <CFString 0x7ffd33e6fcd0 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:11:12 GMT"}

15 : Content-Length = 200

19 : x-content-type-options = nosniff

21 : Vary = <CFString 0x7ffd33f92fb0 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "Origin, X-Origin"}

22 : x-frame-options = <CFString 0x7ffd33e45d40 [0x7fff74b2c440]>{contents = "SAMEORIGIN"}

}

}]

Apr 3 15:11:13 Mac-Pro-de-paul- CalendarAgent[282]: [com.apple.calendar.store.log.caldav.queue] [Coalescing failed operation [<CalDAVAccountRefreshQueueableOperation: 0x7ffd33f45510; Sequence: 0>]]

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- WindowServer[140]: device_generate_desktop_screenshot: authw 0x0(0), shield 0x7f94a9049400(2001)

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- WindowServer[140]: device_generate_lock_screen_screenshot: authw 0x0(0)[inf, inf, 0, 0] shield 0x7f94a9049400(2001), dev [1920,1080]

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- identityservicesd[258]: <IMMacNotificationCenterManager: 0x7fb0cb11ddd0>: notification observer: com.apple.iChat notification: __CFNotification 0x7fb0cb001e40 {name = _NSDoNotDisturbEnabledNotification}

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- imagent[293]: <IMMacNotificationCenterManager: 0x7fea41506830>: notification observer: com.apple.FaceTime notification: __CFNotification 0x7fea43811d30 {name = _NSDoNotDisturbEnabledNotification}

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- sharingd[246]: 15:14:14.941 : Purged contact hashes

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- identityservicesd[258]: <IMMacNotificationCenterManager: 0x7fb0cb11ddd0>: NC Disabled: NO

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- imagent[293]: <IMMacNotificationCenterManager: 0x7fea41506830>: NC Disabled: NO

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- identityservicesd[258]: <IMMacNotificationCenterManager: 0x7fb0cb11ddd0>: DND Enabled: YES

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- imagent[293]: <IMMacNotificationCenterManager: 0x7fea41506830>: DND Enabled: YES

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- identityservicesd[258]: <IMMacNotificationCenterManager: 0x7fb0cb11ddd0>: Updating enabled: NO (Topics: (

))

Apr 3 15:14:14 Mac-Pro-de-paul- imagent[293]: <IMMacNotificationCenterManager: 0x7fea41506830>: Updating enabled: NO (Topics: (

))

Apr 3 15:15:04 Mac-Pro-de-paul- UserEventAgent[40]: extension com.adobe.accmac.ACCFinderSync -> com.adobe.accmac

Apr 3 15:16:31 Mac-Pro-de-paul- syslogd[39]: ASL Sender Statistics

Apr 3 15:34:30 localhost bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1459690470 0

Do you have another Mac computer?

No, today I don't have access to other mac. Some friends use macbook maybe I can borrow one and startup as target mode drive tomorrow.

For now, I am formatting a new drive and installing 10.11.4 on it. Just a clean osx install and nothing more, on a new hard drive. couldn't be more genuine.

I ran in recovery mode to install capitan on a new hard drive... It crashed during the download of 10.11.4

So I took the last physical installer dvd I had 10.6.3 and startup on it to install on the new hard drive. I unplugged off the main ssd os drive, and start the whole installation on dvd.

So far it work very well, I am finishing a 12 hour back up of my external drive.

I may have two guess:

- this configuration is working because I don't have any third part software cloud etc... which are nice and practical but make osx weak and crashing on many unpredictable.variables?

- this configuration is working because it's a new hard drive and the other ssd had a sort of silent trouble which made him cut off the computer randomly? bad sector on system directory? bad firmware and random power drop???? Some people had firmware trouble on these ocz vertex, I didn't but I can't remember if I had to upgrade the firmware in the past.

For now I'm starting to think it was a ssd defect that created the trouble... but I'm still watching.

The bad ssd could also explain why it crash on recovery mode, which is supposed to be on separate hidden partition...

Two new things.

Everything run good on the new drive (but it's a mechanical hdd 4to wd red, it's purpose is more about storage).

So far I was able to upgrade it on 10.9.5 nothing more but osx no adobe or other software, I didn't use the time machine backup on purpose.

Then, with a brand new ssd sandisk 240go, I created a new 10.9.5 maverick using recovery mode from the first hdd.

It was ok so I decided to paste the time machine backup.

It did well. so far,

I started working on after effect project.

It crashed...

So, hdd wd red with 10.9.5 = ok

SSD sandisk 10.9.5 = seemed ok but I did not perform a long test

ssd sandisk 10..9.5 + backup = crashes

- It seems that the problem could be on my backup? I should try recovering the backup on the wd?

- I used trim enabler on both ssd (the old one and the new from today) could that be a trimming issue (incompatibility from a non-apple ssd)

-I am now installing a clean 10.9.5 on ssd, without the backup to test it seriously.

This night it crashed while i was installing new clean 10.9.5 on ssd.

I boot on the hdd (10.9.5 clean without my backup) so I can make a bootable usb key and re format the ssd.

It did crash during the night screen off and fan high as always.

So, hdd wd red with 10.9.5 without backup = crash

SSD sandisk 10.9.5 = seemed ok but I did not perform a long test

ssd sandisk 10..9.5 + backup = crashes

I have no report as always...

Apr 6 02:44:20 Mac-Pro-de-paul-Install OS X Mavericks[693]: objc[693]: Class PUKDiskPickerHorizontalCellAccessibilityElement is implemented in both /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/PackageKit.framework/Frameworks/PackageUIKit. framework/Versions/A/PackageUIKit and /Volumes/Install OS X Mavericks/Install OS X Mavericks.app/Contents/PlugIns/IA.bundle/Contents/MacOS/IA. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.

Apr 6 02:44:20 Mac-Pro-de-paul-Install OS X Mavericks[693]: objc[693]: Class PUKDiskPickerHorizontalAccessibilityElement is implemented in both /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/PackageKit.framework/Frameworks/PackageUIKit. framework/Versions/A/PackageUIKit and /Volumes/Install OS X Mavericks/Install OS X Mavericks.app/Contents/PlugIns/IA.bundle/Contents/MacOS/IA. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.

Apr 6 02:44:20 Mac-Pro-de-paul-Install OS X Mavericks[693]: objc[693]: Class PUKDiskPickerHorizontalGroupAccessibilityElement is implemented in both /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/PackageKit.framework/Frameworks/PackageUIKit. framework/Versions/A/PackageUIKit and /Volumes/Install OS X Mavericks/Install OS X Mavericks.app/Contents/PlugIns/IA.bundle/Contents/MacOS/IA. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.

Apr 6 02:44:20 Mac-Pro-de-paul-Install OS X Mavericks[693]: objc[693]: Class PUKDiskPickerHorizontalMatrix is implemented in both /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/PackageKit.framework/Frameworks/PackageUIKit. framework/Versions/A/PackageUIKit and /Volumes/Install OS X Mavericks/Install OS X Mavericks.app/Contents/PlugIns/IA.bundle/Contents/MacOS/IA. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.

Apr 6 03:03:47 Mac-Pro-de-paul-xpcproxy[707]: assertion failed: 13F1712: xpcproxy + 3438 [D559FC96-E6B1-363A-B850-C7AC9734F210]: 0x2

Apr 6 03:39:39 Mac-Pro-de-paul-.local AddressBookSourceSync[723]: [CardDAVPlugin-ERROR] -getPrincipalInfo:[_controller supportsRequestCompressionAtURL:https://psourice%40gmail.com@p15-contacts.icloud.com/1305048865/principal///psourice%40gmail.com@p15-contacts.icloud.com/1305048865/principal/] Error Domain=NSURLErrorDomain Code=-1001 "The request timed out." UserInfo=0x7fa6fd050e10 {NSUnderlyingError=0x7fa6fd1667f0 "The request timed out.", NSErrorFailingURLStringKey=https://psourice%40gmail.com@p15-contacts.icloud.com/1305048865/principal/, NSErrorFailingURLKey=https://psourice%40gmail.com@p15-contacts.icloud.com/1305048865/principal///psourice%40gmail.com@p15-contacts.icloud.com/1305048865/principal/, NSLocalizedDescription=The request timed out.}

Apr 6 03:43:21 Mac-Pro-de-paul-.local parentalcontrolsd[728]: StartObservingFSEvents [849:] -- *** StartObservingFSEvents started event stream

Apr 6 03:43:45 Mac-Pro-de-paul-.local com.apple.WebKit.WebContent[241]: ERROR: ITSExceptionHandler: {message:"TypeError: 'null' is not an object (evaluating 'document.querySelector("#header").removeClassName')", url:"https://se.itunes.apple.com/htmlResources/B69E/da-storefront-autoinstallations.j s", lineNumber:"385"}

Apr 6 04:14:09 Mac-Pro-de-paul-xpcproxy[732]: assertion failed: 13F1712: xpcproxy + 3438 [D559FC96-E6B1-363A-B850-C7AC9734F210]: 0x2

Apr 6 04:14:52 Mac-Pro-de-paul-.local ntpd[140]: SYNC state ignoring -0.156529 s

Apr 6 04:43:21 Mac-Pro-de-paul.local periodic-wrapper[743]: Running daily periodic task.

Apr 6 04:49:09 Mac-Pro-de-paul-xpcproxy[811]: assertion failed: 13F1712: xpcproxy + 3438 [D559FC96-E6B1-363A-B850-C7AC9734F210]: 0x2

Apr 6 04:57:29 Mac-Pro-de-paul-.local ntpd[140]: ntpd: time set -0.229660 s

Apr 6 04:57:29 Mac-Pro-de-paul-.local com.apple.time[172]: Interval maximum value is 946100000 seconds (specified value: 9223372036854775807).

Apr 6 10:25:30 localhost bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1459931130 0

Since you are not getting kernel panics, your hanging problems could only be caused by two other subsystems:

1) a disk stops responding. Your recent swapping around of drives appears to rule this out.

2) Your graphics cards stop responding.

If you had another Mac, connecting using screen sharing and removing the graphics card altogether might allow you to debug this. Lacking that kind of setup, I think you should get a "Known-good" graphics card.

You made me think, I did not try to change the slot of the graphic card, so far I've experienced the bugs with 7950, gtx570 and 2600xt. I doubt It would come directly fro the gpu, but what about the slot.

Same, for the drive, could it come from upward in the chain, like not the drive but the mini sas connection?

I am going to try changing gpu slot.

If these cards are all provided by the previous owner, who could not get this machine to work reliably, you do not yet have a "Known-Good" card. These card get very hot and a a frequent source of failures.

The slot almost never has anything to do with anything.

Sorry Grant, If think you've mistaken me with catro91, who opened the fill. I did post here because I have the same symptoms with the same machine as catro91.

The difference is I bought mine new from apple with the 2600xt. I changed for the gtx 570 during the year 2013, and I bought the 7950 new refurbished this year in February because I thought I was having problem with the gtx570.

basically all these cards are good.

So, I've tried

changing gpu pcie slot > it still bug

swaping gpu (for the gtx570) and pcie slot > it still bug

Could that come from a temporary power leaks in the psu?

I realized that I had a kernel report yesterday but I didn't noticed it, unfortunately I don't remember in what circumstances.

Anonymous UUID: 7C3876EE-FB81-CA1A-954C-E173D4E5E652

Wed Apr 6 11:50:27 2016

panic(cpu 3 caller 0xffffff80134dcc1d): Kernel trap at 0xffffff7f944be084, type 13=general protection, registers:

CR0: 0x000000008001003b, CR2: 0xffffff83b9dc6000, CR3: 0x0000000015e8b000, CR4: 0x0000000000000660

RAX: 0xffffff8050790d80, RBX: 0xffffff8050786400, RCX: 0xffffff8013b034d0, RDX: 0xffffff8050786408

RSP: 0xffffff83bad5be90, RBP: 0xffffff83bad5bea0, RSI: 0x000000000000ffff, RDI: 0xffffff8050790c80

R8: 0x0000000000000657, R9: 0x0000000000000000, R10: 0xffffff8013a70800, R11: 0xffffffffffffffff

R12: 0xffffff8050786400, R13: 0xffffff8050118e00, R14: 0xffffff80506c6400, R15: 0xffffff80506c6400

RFL: 0x0000000000010282, RIP: 0xffffff7f944be084, CS: 0x0000000000000008, SS: 0x0000000000000000

Fault CR2: 0xffffff83b9dc6000, Error code: 0x0000000000000000, Fault CPU: 0x3

Backtrace (CPU 3), Frame : Return Address

0xffffff83b04b5df0 : 0xffffff8013423139

0xffffff83b04b5e70 : 0xffffff80134dcc1d

0xffffff83b04b6040 : 0xffffff80134f4486

0xffffff83b04b6060 : 0xffffff7f944be084

0xffffff83bad5bea0 : 0xffffff80138966ea

0xffffff83bad5bf30 : 0xffffff8013892269

0xffffff83bad5bf70 : 0xffffff80138971e3

0xffffff83bad5bfb0 : 0xffffff80134d7c67

Kernel Extensions in backtrace:

com.apple.iokit.IOATAPIProtocolTransport(3.5)[C009098B-C292-38E0-8359-BC525165C 9F7]@0xffffff7f944bd000->0xffffff7f944c3fff

dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily(3.6.7)[4E8FD771-E528-3155-9F0B-5C C160F056AD]@0xffffff7f93a7f000

dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(2.5.2)[295311C0-2053-3FC7-9535-25D539F1AAA7]@0xffff ff7f93d6a000

BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task

Mac OS version:

Not yet set

Kernel version:

Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Mon Jan 11 18:17:34 PST 2016; root:xnu-2422.115.15~1/RELEASE_X86_64

Kernel UUID: 8926E512-6714-34FC-B27C-6AE90EB51D5E

Kernel slide: 0x0000000013200000

Kernel text base: 0xffffff8013400000

System model name: MacPro3,1 (Mac-F42C88C8)

System uptime in nanoseconds: 3048976294

last loaded kext at 2675350414: com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIBlockStorage 2.6.0 (addr 0xffffff7f94517000, size 135168)

loaded kexts:

com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIBlockStorage 2.6.0

com.apple.driver.XsanFilter 404

com.apple.driver.CSRHIDTransitionDriver 4.2.7f5

com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient 3.6.7

com.apple.driver.AppleFileSystemDriver 3.0.1

com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeDataless 1.0.0d1

com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeLZVN 1.0.0d1

com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib 1.0.0d1

com.apple.BootCache 35

com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub 683.4.0

com.apple.driver.AppleIntel8254XEthernet 3.1.4b1

com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI 5.0.2

com.apple.driver.AppleAHCIPort 3.0.5

com.apple.driver.AppleIntelPIIXATA 2.5.1

com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI 660.4.0

com.apple.driver.AppleUSBUHCI 656.4.1

com.apple.driver.AppleACPIButtons 2.0

com.apple.driver.AppleHPET 1.8

com.apple.driver.AppleRTC 2.0

com.apple.driver.AppleSMBIOS 2.1

com.apple.driver.AppleACPIEC 2.0

com.apple.driver.AppleAPIC 1.7

com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient 217.92.1

com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall 153

com.apple.security.quarantine 3

com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement 217.92.1

com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHIDMouse 180.9

com.apple.driver.AppleHIDMouse 180.9

com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHIDKeyboard 170.15

com.apple.driver.AppleHIDKeyboard 170.15

com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHIDDriver 660.4.0

com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub 650.4.0

com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIBlockCommandsDevice 3.6.7

com.apple.iokit.IOUSBMassStorageClass 3.6.0

com.apple.driver.AppleUSBComposite 656.4.1

com.apple.iokit.IOATAPIProtocolTransport 3.5.0

com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily 3.6.7

com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily 3.2

com.apple.iokit.IOUSBUserClient 660.4.2

com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily 4.5.5

com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIFamily 2.6.5

com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily 2.5.2

com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily 686.4.1

com.apple.driver.AppleEFINVRAM 2.0

com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily 2.0.0

com.apple.driver.AppleEFIRuntime 2.0

com.apple.iokit.IOSMBusFamily 1.1

com.apple.security.sandbox 278.11.2

com.apple.kext.AppleMatch 1.0.0d1

com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet 7

com.apple.driver.AppleKeyStore 2

com.apple.driver.DiskImages 373

com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily 1.9

com.apple.iokit.IOReportFamily 23

com.apple.driver.AppleFDEKeyStore 28.30

com.apple.driver.AppleACPIPlatform 2.0

com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily 2.9

com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily 1.4

com.apple.kec.corecrypto 1.0

com.apple.kec.pthread 1

System Profile:

Model: MacPro3,1, BootROM MP31.006C.B05, 8 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.8 GHz, 32 GB, SMC 1.25f4

Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 7950, AMD Radeon HD 7950, PCIe, 3072 MB

Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 1, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x802C, 0x333648544635313237324638304545314434

Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 2, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0198, 0x4B494E4753544F4E20202020202020202020

Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 1, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x802C, 0x333648544635313237324638304545314434

Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 2, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0198, 0x4B494E4753544F4E20202020202020202020

Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 3, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x802C, 0x333648544635313237324638304545314434

Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 4, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x802C, 0x333648544635313237324638304545314434

Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 3, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x802C, 0x333648544635313237324638304545314434

Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 4, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x802C, 0x333648544635313237324638304545314434

Bluetooth: Version 5.2.7f4 15858, 3 services, 14 devices, 1 incoming serial ports

Network Service: Ethernet 1, Ethernet, en0

PCI Card: AMD Radeon HD 7950, Display Controller, Slot-2

PCI Card: AMD Radeon HD 7950, ATY,HamachiParent, Slot-2

Serial ATA Device: WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0, 4 TB

Serial ATA Device: WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0, 4 TB

Parallel ATA Device: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112D, 8.04 GB

USB Device: Keyboard Hub

USB Device: Apple Optical USB Mouse

USB Device: Apple Keyboard

USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller

FireWire Device: built-in_hub, Up to 800 Mb/sec

Thunderbolt Bus:

One thing that I try to understand, is when it crash the diagnosis led on the logic board indicate, trickle power OK ( led 2 on ) , but the pwrg Led 8 is off meaning that there is a power failure... or a short circuit somewhere.

I am wondering if it could come from a power leak issue like if something in psu fuse for a few second...

well as soon as I can i will put my hands inside again to see if there is something wrong, maybe buy one other psu from macpalace.

Is there a service manual for testing psu, I saw there is a little plug on the inside face.