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SolidWorks x64 Edition up and running on Mac Pro

I have the 64-bit version of Solidworks running on my Mac Pro and it's a screamer!

I used Solidworks 2007 x64 Edition on Windows XP x64 Professional on my Mac Pro for a solid 3 hours today at work. I had no problems other than a slow SATA hard-drive issue that is well known and remains unfixed on my machine. However, once Windows has loaded the registry with the program guts it runs like a top, just don't expect it to load up a program for the first time blazingly fast and you'll be fine.

Be that as it may, even with all the hardware issues I still have, SolidWorks is AWESOME on the Mac Pro, even better than any other Intel boxes I've used previously. To be fair, I don't have any experience with SW 2007 x64 on real XP x64 box.

(I posted this on another thread earlier, but at the time I didn't know what I was doing. I felt this information would be of better use under this category.)

For those who want to do this and run the x64 version of XP here's the drivers and the drill:

My Windows software is sourced from a free download of x64 120 day trial version from Windows.

Interestingly enough, I called Microsoft and asked what happens after 120 days, the answer was...."I don't know"...
weird.


Anyway, for those who don't know how to get the format of the download file to be correct for Boot Camp to recognize it as a Windows CD, here's the procedure.

This is all done on the Mac Pro.

1. Download XPx64 from: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/trial.mspx

2. Open Disk Utility

2. Double click downloaded file: WS03SP1 RTM_1830_PX6EN.iso (this will allow you to see it in Disk Utility)

3. In Disk Utility select the WS0...EN.iso file mentioned previously and click the "convert" button.

4. When the "Save as" box pops up set the location to wherever you want ( I named the file the same name w/o the .iso extension and put it on my desktop) and set the Image Format to "DVD/CD master", Encryption to "none"

5. After saving the file, it will show up with a new extension *.cdr. Double click this file in the Disk Utility drive list.

6. After Finder finishes launching the file, go back to Disk Utility and select your new *.cdr file and click the Partition button to the right.

7. Once in the partition window, select Options and set the partition scheme to "Master Boot Record", hit OK.

8. After getting back in the partition window, select Volume Scheme and set to "1 partition", The size should be around 558.62 MB (don't worry about the format set to mac OS extended and the other greyed functions)

9. Select the Burn icon, insert your CD-R, set your post burning options, and have a Coke and a smile. Verify the file format is ISO 9660 file system by selecting the "get info" on the CD under "Finder".

**TIP #1 - make sure you've printed out the e-mail from Microsoft outlining the setup instructions and including the CD-Key. Don't be like me and get 98% through the Windows setup where it asks you for CD-Key and have to power off the computer and get it out of OS X.**

**TIP #2 - Since you are using an Apple keyboard Windows doesn't seem to be able to use it on the blue screen portion of the install. My remedy (after assuming the install locked up 6 times in a row) is to go find a cheap-o usb keyboard and mouse lying around (probably standard Microsoft stuff in your closet) and plug it in to be back of your Mac Pro tower. You do not need to go through the Mac OS hardware setup thing that pops up.

10. After printing out your MS instruction e-mail and plugging in your keyboard and mouse (see above), launch Boot Camp (don't even try to use the driver CD it makes, it's useless for XP x64) and install XP x64.

11. Have a beer and a smile, you will need the alcohol in your blood from here on out.

**TIP #3 - go buy 2 or 3 magazines and get a comfortable chair.**

12. Install Windows, follow the Boot Camp Beta instructions carefully until you get to the part where you install the driver CD. It won't work.

13. Follow these links to get the x64 drivers:

Audio: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/dlhd-2.aspx?lineid=2004052&famid=2004052&ser ies=2004061&Software=True&title=HD%20Audio%20CODECs

Nvidia Graphics driver for the 7300GT (remember, this is for Win XP x64 edition so it's not the same as the regularly posted 32 bit version):
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp64_91.47.html

LAN drivers (Be sure to get the x64 version):
Download PROEM64T.exe from the Intel website

13. Update Windows.

**NOTE: I am still having the same driver issues as others that have installed XP x64 on a Mac Pro, for example the Apple keyboard and mouse function, but the Ctl AltDel and Eject CD disk remain non functional.**

14. Install SolidWorks 2007 x64 from the included DVD in your software update box that came in the mail last week.

15. GO TO BED...IT'S 4:30 am!!!

Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.7) Microsoft XP x64 Professional

Please correct me on any driver postings if they are in error or missing. These are the ones I used and they are working for me. I do not claim to be a guru (this is only my 7th day of using Macintosh in my entire life), I'm just a CAD guy that has a MacNut for a boss. It was either adapt or die, so I'm hapilly adapted.

Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.7) Microsoft XP x64 Professional

Posted on Sep 7, 2006 9:06 PM

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Oct 26, 2006 2:22 PM in response to MacSolidWorks

Hi MacSolidWorks,

I'm so happy to have found your thread while browsing the forums. I've been a mac user for about 7 years now and been using the same old PowerBook G3 500MHz which I pimped out to a G4 550MHz, 1GB and 60GB 7200RPM workhorse. It has served me well and continues to do so. Nevertheless, I can obviously not do the things possible with the current hardware and as I am an undergraduate mechanical engineering student I use SolidWorks heavily! I HATE using the university's computers as they are crap windows boxes which always crash and are dead slow. Just yesterday I took the plunge after years of waiting for the G5 powerbook and reading numerous rumor sites about the Intel transition etc. Anyways, to make a long story short, I ordered the new MacBook Pro with 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 160GB hard drive.

Brief history over, I will have to use windows to run my only non-mac apps, SolidWorks and Ricardo WAVE. I read your post about using Windows XP PRO x64 as opposed to the 32-bit version and I'll give it a try when I get my new computer. Did you actually get a fully working copy of the OS for free from MS website? What about the expiration? Also do you have a retail version of SolidWorks 2007 x64? How has it been working with BootCamp, rebooting into Windows and using SW, is it stable?

Sorry for all the questions just so much easier to speak to someone who knows a thing or two about the software you use!

P.S. I wish SolidWorks opened their eyes and developed a native version of their amazing software for an amazing platform MAC OS X! 😉

Oct 26, 2006 3:28 PM in response to cookieme

Did you actually get a
fully working copy of the OS for free from MS
website?


Yes I did! I just checked and it it's still available, just follow the link in the initial post and you can download it.

What about the expiration?


Yes, what about the expiration? It's a free OS running on Beta software (BootCamp). You run it for 6 months, delete the partition and re-install it for another 6 months of use. Buy another SATA drive (or make another partition on the main drive) and keep all your work on it so you don't loose any information when you re-install. Not too hard.

Also do you have a retail version of SolidWorks 2007 x64?


Yes I do. If you purchase SW the 64 bit version comes with it on a DVD (SW2006 also has a 64 bit version if you want to run that). I would assume the student version has both 32 & 64 bit versions as well.

How has it been working with BootCamp, rebooting into Windows and using SW, is it stable?


Working with BootCamp is okay, not great but okay, just like any other Windows box. The stability short answer is...it depends.

A few tips for those who want to do this AND have a stable system are as follows:

1. Do not use the machine as you would an OEM Windows box. I did, and It screwed up so bad I have to re-do it tomorrow. My problems all started with MS Outlook 2000. I had some sort of e-mail glitch with my *.pst file and the whole system took a dump.

2. Do not use Avast antivirus 64bit version, this program is super invasive to the registry and upon re-boot the reg entries are changed and Windows wants to do a scan-disk everytime. Everytime I did a scandisk some of my files were converted into useless crap. Upon the next re-boot even more files were converted, and the degredation of the whole OS began. Just stay the **** off the Internet (except for critical updates to MS and SW) and you'll be fine. Look at this link: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=3401866&tstart=0

After reading the above post the other night, I uninstalled my antivirus software and my computer booted normally several times. Unfortunately, the damage was done by that point and now I must re-install.

3. Use the MacOS for your e-mail, web browsing, music, whatever...I know it's a pain but I've come to realize that BootCamp is really just a tool which allows me to run those critical programs that are unavailable for Mac...NOTHING ELSE!

YOU MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS A FREE, TRIAL VERSION OF XP WITH VIRTUALLY NO DRIVER SUPPORT AND 64bit TO BOOT. Microsoft can't even get XP 32 bit working right, so don't go and cuss Apple when there's a problem...and there will be problems.

Sorry for all the questions just so much easier to speak to someone who knows a thing or two about the software you use!


Don't appologize, that's why I wrote the topic in the first place, I'm glad to help.

On the performance of SolidWorks however, it is absolutely screamingly fantastic on the MacPro. I have really not had any interface issues with windows at all with SW2007. SW2007 is still a bit buggy but that will work itself out in time as it always does. Couldn't be more pleased with the performance. I'd put this up against a Windows hotbox any day!

P.S. I wish SolidWorks opened their eyes and developed a native version of their amazing software for an amazing platform MAC OS X!


Yes, me too. I've been in contact with my re-seller and he tells me their are rumors for a port for Linux in the works. I've also submitted the SW petition ( http://www.petitiononline.com/SWonMac/petition.html) to my support girl at SW directly. Maybe something will come of it, maybe not.

Happy modeling.



Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) Microsoft XP x64 Professional

Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) Microsoft XP x64 Professional

Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) Microsoft XP x64 Professional

Oct 27, 2006 10:05 PM in response to MacSolidWorks

In reference to the full speed HD issue again, my boss pointed out an obvious boo-boo on my part.

I think I could get the same speed out of my SATA as MacOSX does if I format the drive using NTFS. He made the point when we looked at the numbers on HDTune, the fastest access time in x64 was half of 3GB/s. If the drive is formated using FAT-32 it stands to reason that x64 can only access the drive at half speed since the drive is 32-bit in nature.

I may try to confirm this if I decide to re-install x64, my boss is growing impatient with me playing around with the new machine. Unfortunately I chickened out and put on 32 bit XP to see if it's more stable with BootCamp. I've got to get some work done!

If I can swing it, I'll try to get x64 running on another disk so I can play during my off time.

HELP ME, I'M TURNING INTO A GEEK!

Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) Microsoft XP x64 Professional

Oct 27, 2006 10:53 PM in response to MacSolidWorks

Since I'm attempting to have a tripple boot MacPro (OSX, XP32, XP64), I thought I'd share some preplanning with all of you.

From the Microsoft website concerning dual boot XP32/64:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/64bit/bowman_05nov07.mspx

This old gal's got some computer savvy and some balls. My Mom would freak out if she tried to do something like this.

Looks like having my cake and eating it too is looking more and more feasible all the while.

Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) Microsoft XP x64 Professional/ XP Professional (32-bit)

Nov 6, 2006 11:54 AM in response to MacSolidWorks

Okay,

I tried a bunch of partitioning configurations and all of them failed miserably. Aparently the boot loader for windows gets confused about which partition it needs to restart in. I did find a cool program called EasyBCD that uses the Vista boot loader to allow you to multi boot into ANY os.

I'm trying to find out how to work it. I'll keep you posted.

http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/273

Dec 9, 2006 3:15 PM in response to MacSolidWorks

Brian you have convinced me to give it a try. I use 3ds max and would love to utilize the additional benefits that the 64 bit version would allow. Wish me luck, by the way the guy talking about max earlier does not know what he is talking about. I run million plus poly models with only 4 gigs of Ram just fine. it is what you know not what you have.

Dec 11, 2006 2:27 PM in response to Shizoma

Well, good. I'm glad one more person is trying this out. I spent a-lot of time and effort, frustration and tears trying to get this going. I'm glad my efforts have helped a few people out. Good luck with it all.

By the way, after re-installing x64 and following my own advice about the other programs, everything has been solid as a stone once again.

Why doesn't Apple want us to use this XPx64 version???

-MSW

Dec 12, 2006 12:00 PM in response to MacSolidWorks

It is not that Apple does not want us to use it but they did not want to rush out the 64 bit drivers. I am quite sure that when Leopard comes out they will offer support for the 64 bit version of Windows but since it is only beta, that is probably why they have only 32bit support right now. I have thanks to you a screaming machine now I only use it for 3ds Max 64bit version I have all the RAM installed and recognized by Windows and I have to say thanks Brian. Everything else I run in Mac OSX, soon I will be switching to Maya which is for my Mac operating system.

Dec 12, 2006 12:04 PM in response to MacSolidWorks

This is what my benchmark shows without using the slipstream technique and just upgrading the firmware,
HD Tune: ST3300620AS Benchmark

Transfer Rate Minimum : 36.7 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 74.3 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Average : 60.9 MB/sec
Access Time : 13.1 ms
Burst Rate : 100.3 MB/sec
CPU Usage : 3.2%
I guess I should slipstream and this thing would be really cookin eh?

Dec 12, 2006 12:47 PM in response to MacSolidWorks

BootCamp: if you want, and don't need the drivers, don't partition your boot drive. Just pull your OS X drive after you have formatted drive #2 (though even that may not be necessary) and setup a drive as NTFS and maybe a FAT32 partition (for swapping files between OS X and Windows).

Any OS is going to run its best if it has the best outer tracks location - and a decent drive (10K Raptor anyone?).

The 64-bit Vista seems to me to be easy to use, solid, and while I like some of the OS X programs I need to use, FireFox and IE7 and Mail are "okay" for now. Drivers for scanner and printer aren't there yet, and of course I'm on RC1, which runs fine.

I could not format a drive or install Vista as long as I had my OS X drive(s) present. For someone like myself, with almost no Windows experience, I had to see what it was about.

64-bit Vista does/will support EFI (actually, UEFI 2.0 it seems) and also has support for GUID partition tables, but 32-bit versions of Vista will not support either. And one reason MS seems to have put EFI support off, for now.

Mac Pro 2GHz 2GB 10K Raptor 23" Cinema Mac OS X (10.4.8) 2xWD RE16 RAID APC RS1500 Vista RC1

Jan 8, 2007 12:39 PM in response to MacSolidWorks

Okay, I've got another cool SolidWorks thing to try out on the MacPro.

I've got SolidWorks 2007 X64 edition running on a Virtual Machine within Mac OSX using VMware Fusion. http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/fusion/index.html

Fusion allows one to install a 64bit OS (ie. Microsoft XP x64), assign multiple processors (I'm using 2 cores of the MacPro) and use a moderate amount of RAM.

So, I've got 64bit SW running on a 64bit VM...freakin' sweet!

-MSW



Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) Microsoft XP x64 Professional/ XP Professional (32-bit)

SolidWorks x64 Edition up and running on Mac Pro

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