Previous 1 2 Next 28 Replies Latest reply: Jun 23, 2014 10:11 PM by MichelPM
NewbMacUser Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hey guys, it feels like my Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM is constantly running low on RAM.

 

I've done everything I can: I've closed apps I'm not using and run the 'sudo purge' command in Terminal multiple times.

 

'Kernel_Task' is currently using 3.26GB of 'Real Mem' in 'Activity Monitor'! How can I make this use less RAM?

 

I thought about wiping the Mac Mini HDD and installing a clean install of Mavericks, but that'd take too much time to get my Mac to how I like it.

 

Will the new release of Yosemite help me?

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3 (905 points)

    What makes you thonk that? Mavericks is designed to use all RAM. 8GB used is great. Unless the memory pressure shows amber or red you are fine.

  • Drew Reece Level 5 Level 5 (4,815 points)

    There has been a lot of changes to how RAM is handled in OS X try reading up on it and see if it fits with your experience

    http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/activity-monitor-in-os-x-mavericks-brings-significan t-changes/

    http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/17/#compressed-memory

     

    If you have no 'Swap Used' you may not have RAM issues at all. You should think about what you are actually experiencing & try describing that, it's too easy to assume the reason is X for any issues you have.

     

    kernel_task is the the process that communicates from the hardware to the upper levels of the OS. It is 'process 0', if it is a problem it can be due to hardware or software, but your description seems normal at the moment.

  • NewbMacUser Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well, that's the problem. My RAM indicator keeps is always red and I'm always low on RAM. I just rebooted and I have some more RAM available now, but I'd like to free up more RAM.

  • Drew Reece Level 5 Level 5 (4,815 points)

    When you say 'it would take too much time to restore to how you like it' is that because you have a lot of apps or tweaks installed? Is your RAM indicator one of these apps or are you using Activity Monitor to view it?

     

    RAM should not be swapping all the time, either you have some hardware issue or software is leaking RAM at an alarming rate.

     

    It begs the questions what hardware is connected? What software are you running?

     

    http://etrecheck.com/etrecheck will show you a report of the installed software background jobs etc - it will help show what is going on if you post it here.

  • tbirdvet Level 4 Level 4 (2,370 points)

    Your kernal_task should not be using this much(3.2GB) of Ram.  Mine peaks at just over 1GB.

  • CT Level 6 Level 6 (16,645 points)

    One common cause of this:  incompatible third party software.  You could give us a profile of your system by running Etresoft: EtreCheck and pasting the output here.  Someone might be able spot a culprit.

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3 (905 points)

    We have been waiting 7 hours for that!

  • NewbMacUser Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Here's the report:

     

    Hardware Information:

    Mac mini (Mid 2011)

    Mac mini - model: Macmini5,1

    1 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5 CPU: 2 cores

    8 GB RAM

     

    Video Information:

    Intel HD Graphics 3000 - VRAM: 512 MB

     

    System Software:

    OS X 10.9.2 (13C1021) - Uptime: 5 days 1:49:12

     

    Disk Information:

    Hitachi HTS545050B9A302 disk0 : (500.11 GB)

    EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted>: 209.7 MB

    Macintosh HD (disk0s2) / [Startup]: 499.25 GB (117.71 GB free)

    Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted>: 650 MB

     

    USB Information:

    Sennheiser Communications Sennheiser USB headset

     

    Apple Inc. BRCM20702 Hub

    Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

     

    SIGMACHIP Usb Mouse

     

    Logitech USB Keyboard

     

    Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver

     

    Thunderbolt Information:

    Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus

     

    Gatekeeper:

    Mac App Store and identified developers

     

    Kernel Extensions:

    [kext loaded] at.obdev.nke.LittleSnitch (4052 - SDK 10.8) Support

    [not loaded] com.Logitech.Control Center.HID Driver (3.5.1 - SDK 10.0) Support

    [not loaded] com.Logitech.Unifying.HID Driver (1.2.0 - SDK 10.0) Support

    [kext loaded] com.anchorfree.tun (1.1.1 - SDK 10.8) Support

    [kext loaded] com.logmein.driver.LogMeInSoundDriver (1.0.0) Support

    [kext loaded] com.netralia.driver.VBMicDriver (1.0.0 - SDK 10.7) Support

    [kext loaded] com.netralia.driver.VBSpeakerDriver (1.0.0 - SDK 10.7) Support

    [not loaded] com.sony.driver.prs2 (1.0.3d1) Support

     

    Problem System Launch Daemons:

    [failed] com.apple.installd.plist

    [failed] com.apple.wdhelper.plist

     

    Problem System Launch Agents:

    [failed] com.paragon-software.NTFS.SparkleUpdate.plist Support

    [running] com.paragon.NTFS.notify.plist Support

     

    Launch Daemons:

    [running] at.obdev.littlesnitchd.plist Support

    [loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist Support

    [loaded] com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist Support

    [running] com.anchorfree.ajaxserver.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.logmein.logmeinserver.plist Support

    [loaded] com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist Support

    [loaded] com.oracle.java.Helper-Tool.plist Support

    [loaded] com.oracle.java.JavaUpdateHelper.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_service.plist Support

     

    Launch Agents:

    [running] at.obdev.LittleSnitchUIAgent.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Support

    [running] com.Logitech.Control Center.Daemon.plist Support

    [running] com.logmein.logmeingui.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.logmein.logmeinguiagent.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.logmein.logmeinguiagentatlogin.plist Support

    [failed] com.oracle.java.Java-Updater.plist Support

    [running] com.rosettastone.rosettastonedaemon.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.sony.ReaderDesktop.RunReaderDesktop.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_desktop.plist Support

     

    User Launch Agents:

    [loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Support

    [loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist Support

    [loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist Support

    [loaded] com.valvesoftware.steamclean.plist Support

     

    User Login Items:

    iTunesHelper

    AdobeResourceSynchronizer

    VLCStreamer

    Dropbox

    Evernote

    Little Snitch Configuration

    System Preferences

    Activity Monitor

    Preview

    TextEdit

    Google Drive

    readerAppHelper

    AirPlayitServerManager

     

    Internet Plug-ins:

    nplastpass: Version: 2.0.25 Support

    LogMeInSafari64: Version: 1.0.660 Support

    Default Browser: Version: 537 - SDK 10.9

    Flip4Mac WMV Plugin: Version: 3.2.0.16 - SDK 10.8 Support

    AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: Version: 11.0.06 - SDK 10.6 Support

    FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 13.0.0.201 - SDK 10.6 Support

    LogMeIn: Version: 1.0.660 Support

    Silverlight: Version: 4.1.10329.0 Support

    Flash Player: Version: 13.0.0.201 - SDK 10.6 Outdated!Update

    LogMeInSafari32: Version: 1.0.660 Support

    QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3

    SharePointBrowserPlugin: Version: 14.1.0 Support

    AdobePDFViewer: Version: 11.0.06 - SDK 10.6 Support

    JavaAppletPlugin: Version: Java 7 Update 51 Check version

     

    Safari Extensions:

    LastPass: Version: 3.1.17

     

    Audio Plug-ins:

    BluetoothAudioPlugIn: Version: 1.0 - SDK 10.9

    AirPlay: Version: 2.0 - SDK 10.9

    AppleAVBAudio: Version: 203.2 - SDK 10.9

    iSightAudio: Version: 7.7.3 - SDK 10.9

     

    iTunes Plug-ins:

    Quartz Composer Visualizer: Version: 1.4 - SDK 10.9

     

    User Internet Plug-ins:

    Picasa: Version: 1.0 - SDK 10.4 Support

     

    3rd Party Preference Panes:

    Flash Player Support

    Flip4Mac WMV Support

    Java Support

    Logitech Control Center Support

    Paragon NTFS for Mac ® OS X Support

     

    Time Machine:

    Skip System Files: NO

    Mobile backups: OFF

    Auto backup: YES

    Volumes being backed up:

    Macintosh HD: Disk size: 464.96 GB Disk used: 355.34 GB

    Destinations:

    TM [Local] (Last used)

    Total size: 930.90 GB

    Total number of backups: 24

    Oldest backup: 2013-11-09 09:34:43 +0000

    Last backup: 2014-04-27 10:34:53 +0000

    Size of backup disk: Too small

    Backup size 930.90 GB < (Disk used 355.34 GB X 3)

    Time Machine details may not be accurate.

    All volumes being backed up may not be listed.

     

    Top Processes by CPU:

    56% Evernote

    10% WindowServer

    7% Finder

    4% MPlayerX

    3% sysmond

     

    Top Processes by Memory:

    262 MB Finder

    172 MB soffice

    139 MB Evernote

    98 MB WindowServer

    90 MB mds_stores

     

    Virtual Memory Information:

    506 MB Free RAM

    1.89 GB Active RAM

    1.70 GB Inactive RAM

    1.55 GB Wired RAM

    11.53 GB Page-ins

    1.74 GB Page-outs

  • Eric Root Level 7 Level 7 (31,215 points)

    Try quitting Evernote and remove it from your log-in items.

  • dianeoforegon Level 5 Level 5 (4,115 points)

    Evernote is running high on CPU as well.

     

    You can keep the Activity Monitor in Applications/Utilities open so you can montior CPU usage. When an app is hogging CPU, quit the app then restart.

     

    Quit your browsers every day.

    Restart your computer at least once a week.

    This will clear cache files and free up memory.

     

    Don't leave dozens of applications running if you are not actively using them. Look at your Login Items. Are you actively using all the applications you have selected to open at login?

     

    Try disabling Google drive. If you actively use, make sure it's fully updated. There were problems with Google Drive and Mavericks that were supposedly later fixed in an update.

  • Drew Reece Level 5 Level 5 (4,815 points)

    You are running 10.9.2 - it's time to update to 10.9.3. Install any other updates too.

     

    You seem convinced that kernel_task was an issue. Take a look at all those kernel extensions, are they up to date?

    Are they from applications that are supported on 10.9? http://roaringapps.com will show compatibility info for most apps.

     

    kernel_task is where the hardware communicates with the software at the lowest level of the OS (process id 0). It can also show problems caused by external (or internal) hardware, so remove some of the USB devices & see if it gets better. If it does improve look at what software runs with that hardware.

     

    NewbMacUser wrote:

     

    Kernel Extensions:

    [kext loaded] at.obdev.nke.LittleSnitch (4052 - SDK 10.8) Support

    [not loaded] com.Logitech.Control Center.HID Driver (3.5.1 - SDK 10.0) Support

    [not loaded] com.Logitech.Unifying.HID Driver (1.2.0 - SDK 10.0) Support

    [kext loaded] com.anchorfree.tun (1.1.1 - SDK 10.8) Support

    [kext loaded] com.logmein.driver.LogMeInSoundDriver (1.0.0) Support

    [kext loaded] com.netralia.driver.VBMicDriver (1.0.0 - SDK 10.7) Support

    [kext loaded] com.netralia.driver.VBSpeakerDriver (1.0.0 - SDK 10.7) Support

    [not loaded] com.sony.driver.prs2 (1.0.3d1) Support

     

    Is Logitech Control Center up to date? The kernel extension version seems old to me, assuming this is the correct software…

    http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/support/3129?section=downloads&bit=&osid=35

     

    Update or remove logmein if you don't use it, the same with Sony's and Netralia's software. Do you know what com.anchorfree.tun is for ?

     

     

    NewbMacUser wrote:

     

    Problem System Launch Daemons:

    [failed] com.apple.installd.plist

    [failed] com.apple.wdhelper.plist

     

    Problem System Launch Agents:

    [failed] com.paragon-software.NTFS.SparkleUpdate.plist Support

    [running] com.paragon.NTFS.notify.plist Support

     

    Launch Daemons:

    [running] at.obdev.littlesnitchd.plist Support

    [loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist Support

    [loaded] com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist Support

    [running] com.anchorfree.ajaxserver.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.logmein.logmeinserver.plist Support

    [loaded] com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist Support

    [loaded] com.oracle.java.Helper-Tool.plist Support

    [loaded] com.oracle.java.JavaUpdateHelper.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_service.plist Support

     

    Launch Agents:

    [running] at.obdev.LittleSnitchUIAgent.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Support

    [running] com.Logitech.Control Center.Daemon.plist Support

    [running] com.logmein.logmeingui.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.logmein.logmeinguiagent.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.logmein.logmeinguiagentatlogin.plist Support

    [failed] com.oracle.java.Java-Updater.plist Support

    [running] com.rosettastone.rosettastonedaemon.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.sony.ReaderDesktop.RunReaderDesktop.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer.plist Support

    [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_desktop.plist Support

     

    The failed jobs may be able to work if the OS is rebooted & runs without other software interacting.

    Leave the Apple jobs alone (com.apple....), just check they don't still fail after you update or remove software.

    com.apple.wdhelper is for wireless diagnostics - it could explain some wifi issues?

     

    Java is failing to run it's updater - is Java itself that up to date? Uninstall it if you don't use it.

    Paragon have a failed 'system' launch agent and another running one  - Paragon should not be installing into the 'system launch agents'! That location is intended to be for OS X only jobs.

    Ensure it is up to date or remove it.

     

    Do you need teamviewer & logmein? Again update or remove.

     

    Do you need all those items running on login? Try creating a new user account, reboot & login as that user. If it doesn't show your issues you know all those login items are a problem. Remove what you don't need all the time.

    They are managed in System Preferences > Users & groups.

     

    You have quite a few internet plugins - do you need them, is Safari slow? Consider removing some items from…  /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ and ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/

     

    Use the Finders Go menu (hold alt) and select 'Library' to view the hidden ~/Library for your user account.

     

     

    Note:

    When I say remove above I mean you should look for an uninstaller for the software in question - sometimes it's with the download, sometimes the developer has instructions, sometimes you just have to search for recent instructions. This site may have instructions too (or ask for help).

  • NewbMacUser Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Okay this is a more updated log:

     

    Hardware Information:

        Mac mini - model: Macmini5,1

        1 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5 CPU: 2 cores

        8 GB RAM

     

    Video Information:

        Intel HD Graphics 3000 - VRAM: 512 MB

     

    System Software:

        OS X 10.9.3 (13D65) - Uptime: 2 days 0:58:21

     

    Disk Information:

        Hitachi HTS545050B9A302 disk0 : (500.11 GB)

            EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted>: 209.7 MB

            Macintosh HD (disk0s2) / [Startup]: 499.25 GB (100.63 GB free)

            Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted>: 650 MB

     

    USB Information:

        SMI Corporation USB DISK 1 GB

     

        Logitech USB Keyboard

     

        Apple Inc. BRCM20702 Hub

            Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

     

        Sennheiser Communications  Sennheiser USB headset

     

        SIGMACHIP Usb Mouse

     

        Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver

     

    Thunderbolt Information:

        Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus

     

    Gatekeeper:

        Mac App Store and identified developers

     

    Kernel Extensions:

        [kext loaded]    at.obdev.nke.LittleSnitch (4092 - SDK 10.8) Support

        [not loaded]    com.Logitech.Control Center.HID Driver (3.5.1 - SDK 10.0) Support

        [not loaded]    com.Logitech.Unifying.HID Driver (1.2.0 - SDK 10.0) Support

        [kext loaded]    com.anchorfree.tun (1.1.1 - SDK 10.8) Support

        [kext loaded]    com.netralia.driver.VBMicDriver (1.0.0 - SDK 10.7) Support

        [kext loaded]    com.netralia.driver.VBSpeakerDriver (1.0.0 - SDK 10.7) Support

        [not loaded]    com.sony.driver.prs2 (1.0.3d1) Support

     

    Problem System Launch Agents:

        [failed]    com.paragon-software.NTFS.SparkleUpdate.plist Support

        [running]    com.paragon.NTFS.notify.plist Support

     

    Launch Daemons:

        [running]    at.obdev.littlesnitchd.plist Support

        [loaded]    com.adobe.fpsaud.plist Support

        [loaded]    com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist Support

        [running]    com.anchorfree.ajaxserver.plist Support

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist Support

        [loaded]    com.oracle.java.Helper-Tool.plist Support

        [loaded]    com.oracle.java.JavaUpdateHelper.plist Support

        [not loaded]    com.teamviewer.teamviewer_service.plist Support

     

    Launch Agents:

        [running]    at.obdev.LittleSnitchUIAgent.plist Support

        [not loaded]    com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Support

        [running]    com.Logitech.Control Center.Daemon.plist Support

        [running]    com.oracle.java.Java-Updater.plist Support

        [running]    com.rosettastone.rosettastonedaemon.plist Support

        [not loaded]    com.sony.ReaderDesktop.RunReaderDesktop.plist Support

        [not loaded]    com.teamviewer.teamviewer.plist Support

        [not loaded]    com.teamviewer.teamviewer_desktop.plist Support

     

    User Launch Agents:

        [loaded]    com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Support

        [loaded]    com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist Support

        [loaded]    com.google.keystone.agent.plist Support

        [loaded]    com.valvesoftware.steamclean.plist Support

     

    User Login Items:

        iTunesHelper

        AdobeResourceSynchronizer

        VLCStreamer

        Dropbox

        Evernote

        Little Snitch Configuration

        System Preferences

        Activity Monitor

        Preview

        TextEdit

        readerAppHelper

        AirPlayitServerManager

     

    Internet Plug-ins:

        nplastpass: Version: 2.0.25 Support

        LogMeInSafari64: Version: 1.0.660 Support

        Default Browser: Version: 537 - SDK 10.9

        Flip4Mac WMV Plugin: Version: 3.2.0.16   - SDK 10.8 Support

        AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: Version: 11.0.07 - SDK 10.6 Support

        FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 13.0.0.214 - SDK 10.6 Support

        LogMeIn: Version: 1.0.660 Support

        Silverlight: Version: 4.1.10329.0 Support

        Flash Player: Version: 13.0.0.214 - SDK 10.6 Cannot contact Adobe

        LogMeInSafari32: Version: 1.0.660 Support

        QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3

        SharePointBrowserPlugin: Version: 14.1.0 Support

        AdobePDFViewer: Version: 11.0.07 - SDK 10.6 Support

        JavaAppletPlugin: Version: Java 7 Update 51 Check version

     

    Safari Extensions:

        LastPass: Version: 3.1.31

     

    Audio Plug-ins:

        BluetoothAudioPlugIn: Version: 1.0 - SDK 10.9

        AirPlay: Version: 2.0 - SDK 10.9

        AppleAVBAudio: Version: 203.2 - SDK 10.9

        iSightAudio: Version: 7.7.3 - SDK 10.9

     

    iTunes Plug-ins:

        Quartz Composer Visualizer: Version: 1.4 - SDK 10.9

     

    User Internet Plug-ins:

        Picasa: Version: 1.0 - SDK 10.4 Support

     

    3rd Party Preference Panes:

        Flash Player  Support

        Flip4Mac WMV  Support

        Java  Support

        Logitech Control Center  Support

        Paragon NTFS for Mac ® OS X  Support

     

    Time Machine:

        Skip System Files: NO

        Mobile backups: OFF

        Auto backup: YES

        Volumes being backed up:

            Macintosh HD: Disk size: 464.96 GB Disk used: 371.24 GB

        Destinations:

            TM [Local] (Last used)

            Total size: 930.90 GB

            Total number of backups: 27

            Oldest backup: 2013-11-09 09:34:43 +0000

            Last backup: 2014-06-09 14:25:41 +0000

            Size of backup disk: Too small

                Backup size 930.90 GB < (Disk used 371.24 GB X 3)

        Time Machine details may not be accurate.

        All volumes being backed up may not be listed.

     

    Top Processes by CPU:

            41%    firefox

            30%    WindowServer

            15%    Skype

             5%    Finder

             4%    sysmond

     

    Top Processes by Memory:

        1.01 GB    Finder

        945 MB    firefox

        680 MB    WindowServer

        369 MB    Evernote

        270 MB    plugin-container

     

    Virtual Memory Information:

        311 MB    Free RAM

        2.98 GB    Active RAM

        2.60 GB    Inactive RAM

        1.46 GB    Wired RAM

        3.65 GB    Page-ins

        129 MB    Page-outs

  • tbirdvet Level 4 Level 4 (2,370 points)

    Still looks like too many login items.  You still have pageouts.  What happens if you remove some of those auto login items from your login menu under your account(i.e. littlesnitch, evernote, etc.)?  I bet that will speed things up.

  • NewbMacUser Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I just want to have access to more of my RAM. I need to have Evernote and Littlesnitch open.

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