10 Replies Latest reply: Sep 28, 2006 2:10 AM by Bartie
cyclopticgaze Level 1 (30 points)
Is there any way to get rid of the God-awful scrollbars in iTunes 7 and go back to good old system-wide standard scrollbars?

I ask because I have tweaked the OS to have up & down arrows at the tops and bottoms of scrollbars, but the scrollbars in iTunes 7 play by their own rules and only put up&down arrows at the bottom.

And they're hideous.
  • scapesuiter Level 7 (27,660 points)
    I don't know why you can't change the location of the scroll bar arrows. Mine still follow the system setting.
  • Marty J Level 4 (3,020 points)
    I can adjust the position of the scroll arrows also; I'm not sure why you can't.

    There's nothing you can do about them being hideous I'm afraid. Apple have apparently decided their applications don't have to follow your System Preferences settings, or their own human interface design guidelines:

    "Consistency in the interface allows users to transfer their knowledge and skills from one application to another. Use the standard elements of the Aqua interface to ensure consistency within your application and to benefit from consistency across applications."

    Send them some feedback:

  • cyclopticgaze Level 1 (30 points)
    Well, I've used TinkerTool to put both up AND down arrows at the top and the bottom of the scrollbar (ie: four arrows). This option isn't in the system preferences, but all the normal scrollbars throughout the system obey it. iTunes, sadly, does its own thing. Guess there's no way to override iTunes.
  • scapesuiter Level 7 (27,660 points)
    If iTunes is installed correctly, the scrollbar arrows should function as any other application controlled by the scroll arrow option in the Appearance System Preferences. Maybe the iTunes .plist file is corrupt.
  • Stephen Schwartz1 Level 2 (255 points)
    I have the same problem: iTunes alone among all my apps doesn't respect the scrollbar arrows setting as set by TinkerTool.

    Those of you who claim to have gotten it to work: we are talking about having 2 arrows at the bottom (up and down) and two arrows at the top (up and down) on every vertical scrollbar, right?
  • Marty J Level 4 (3,020 points)
    When I posted that I could change the scrollbar arrows, I was referring to the System Preferences setting, not TinkerTool.

    Clearly, TinkerTool does not appear to work for iTunes 7.0.
  • Paul Bickerton Level 1 (125 points)
    I wonder if this is possibly a concession to the Windows users...an attempt to somehow make the code base more similar between the two versions. I just hope this isn't a sign of things to come in Leopard. Can we please have the better looking Aqua scrollbars back!?! The UI is a little disappointing...it's all getting a bit too Fisher-Price for my taste. I especially dislike those real-estate hogging headings LIBRARY, PLAYLISTS, etc. Duh.
  • cyclopticgaze Level 1 (30 points)
    Actually, I don't mind the new headings. I do think they take up way too much space, but I like having the visual destinction between groups. Be nice if it were a View option, though.

    I think you're right that Apple's trying to make the Windows and Mac versions of iTunes have a similar look and feel. I just wish they'd change the Windows version to look more like the Mac version rather than vice-versa. I mean, it's standard operating procedure in the Windows world these days for every app to be skinned out the *** and have it's own look (iTunes is case in point), so why tailor the Mac version to look like the Windows version? Really a shame cause as much as I like having a Win version of iTunes for my gaming PC, the iTunes UI has been on a hasty decline for a while now.
  • Thorzdad Level 2 (495 points)
    I agree on the general fugliness of the scrollbars.
    I am also getting odd, un-Mac-like behavior from the scrollbars...

    When I click anywhere on a scrollbar, the bar will "snap-to" the cursor, so that the cursor is positioned dead-center on the scrollbar. Of course, this makes whatever list I'm viewing suddenly jump with the scrollbar movement. It's really annoying.

    Anyone else getting this behavior?
  • Bartie Level 1 (0 points)
    Yep, I am having the same issue, and have also noticed that dragging the scrollbar has no effect until the mouse is positioned dead centre. This is still an issue in 7.0.1