Some keys not working intermittently r t y u i o

Occasionally, the following keys do not work at all: r t y u i o. I could go weeks with no problems, then one day, it will happen for 10 seconds every few minutes. I don't remember if it started before or after I installed Mavericks last October. It started happening more often (almost every day, many times per day) for the last week.


Has anyone seen this before? Any suggestions on fixing it? This is a MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2010) running 10.9.3.

MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2010), OS X Mavericks (10.9.2)

Posted on Jun 14, 2014 9:40 PM

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Posted on Dec 23, 2017 4:56 PM

For anyone having the TYUIO key issue: I'd been having this issue intermittently for a few weeks - insanely frustrating. Read all the forums I could find and tried many of the suggestions - blow out dust from keys, reset PRAM, SMC, Accessibility Mouse Keys, British Keyboard source, etc all with limited success that I was chalking up to coincidence and placebo. Mashing the keys was the only reliable temporary fix.


Eventually I took off the back casing and noticed the center fan had more dust collected on it than the other fan, suggesting it may not be running as frequently as the other fan which is definitely a problem. Powered on the laptop with the case removed and confirmed that fan wasn't spinning, and furthermore the metal of the vent was getting way hotter than the other fan which was running. I removed the non-operational fan, cleaned out the dust from vents, and reseated it and made sure the connector was secure to the logic board. Powered the computer back on this time with the center fan working properly and surprise, the keys work without issue!


The center fan is seated directly under the TYUIO keys. My hunch is that when that fan isn't working, that area heats up to an abnormally hot temperature and affects the key performance. This would also explain why the key reliability is so intermittent, as their reliability changes as the temperature of the logic board increases and decreases with regular use. Could be coincidence, but seems like a rational explanation and a reasonably easy fix. If you have to replace a broken fan, or just reseat the connector like in my case, way cheaper and easer than replacing an entire keyboard or logic board or upper case assembly.

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Apr 19, 2015 10:05 PM in response to Alias7

I am having the EXACT same issue with keys R T Y U I O seeming to have some sort of strange lag to them ever since I downloaded the last Yosemite update, 10.10.3 using a late 2011 Macbook Pro 15 Inch. I contacted Apple and they suggested I restore the operating system, which did not correct the issue. It seems to be happening very sporadically without any particular rhyme or reason. Strangely I have found that holding all of those keys down at the same time will correct the issue temporarily. It does not seem to be hardware related, but seems to be associated with the software and auto correction or something like that. It's a lagging, rather than an issue with the keyboard itself. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

May 12, 2015 2:45 AM in response to spudnuty

Thanks so much for the detailed explanation. It could be the issue, although the sporadic nature makes me still believe that it is software related. It just seems to have some sort of lag to it. I can actually hold the key downs, and in about 2 seconds it will work. it seems be acting randomly as a sticky key. Needless to say, it has been one of the most annoying issues I have had from Apple. Just in typing this reply, I've come close to throwing this laptop across the room.

May 12, 2015 7:48 AM in response to Alias7

Hi,


My problem definitely seems to be HW related. Since I replied here I have never managed to get those keys to work again.

I since have been using a bluetooth keyboard without any problems, and have also used another (usb wireless) also without problems.


I still notice that the area where those keys are located is particularly hot.


I will be sending it to be repaired as soon as I have an alternative, because this is my working machine.

Jul 11, 2015 7:26 PM in response to Auslandar8

Did anyone find a fix to this? I started having this issue lately too.

Luckily it's working fine now or else I wouldn't be able to type this. My keys from E all the way to O (ERTYUIO) stop working every now and then. And it seems like they're working less and less.

Here's what's weird. When my keys don't work, I have to press my E key really hard and then one of the other keys. So say I want to type the letter Y, I'd have to press E first really hard and then press Y, I'd then have to go back and erase the E. It's really frustrating to say the least.

Anyways, if anyone turned it in for repair and got any answers on where the problem is, please let me know. Thanks!

Mar 29, 2016 8:35 AM in response to Alias7

I had the same problem but with Keys d,f,g,h,j,k,l .... after some reviews on apple forum and youtube videos the solution that worked for me was :


1) clean your keyboard

2) remove the left-key in the series, in my case it is key "d".

3) clean the parts underneath and install again.

I did the same wit key "f" just in case.


I attach a youtube video that helped me on that that task.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh88cn_rtLo


In any case, even if that solution might work, I am still wondering if there is any other HW issue.

Apr 20, 2016 10:38 AM in response to Alias7

I had this exact problem on a Macbook Air, mid 2011.


I also had a damaged battery -- after replacing it with a new battery from iFixit, and also cleaning the accumulated debris and dust inside the laptop, the keyboard works great again.


I don't know if it was the damaged battery, it looked OK but maybe was curved or something, or it was the dust, or just dismounting it and mounting it again moved something on the inside.

Apr 30, 2016 8:29 AM in response to jaimeiniesta

If you're up for it, you could replace just the keyboard. That job is a pain in the keyster. Everything has to come out of the computer to access the keyboard. 40 or so tiny screws hold the keyboard in place:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Air+13-Inch+Mid+2011+Upper+Case+Replacement /9427

Here's a guide to the whole process:

http://www.insidemylaptop.com/replacing-macbook-air-keyboard-after-liquid-damage /

In the MacBook Pro this replacement is easier because there are only screws, no rivets. So easier but still a pain.

The keyboards are cheap on eBay around $39:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=macbook+air+keyboard+replacement+2011&_osac at=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=m…

You could also just replace the entire top case but at quite a difference in cost:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=macbook+air+keyboard+replacement+2011&_osac at=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmacbook+air+top+case+rep lacement+2011+new.TRS1&_nkw=macbook+air+top+case+replacement+2011+new&_sacat=0

A new one looks to be in the $170 range.

Make sure you have the right year and that it's new. I always try to order from someone in the states, usually California. There are a ton available from China but that can take a fair amount of time to get to you.

Jun 22, 2016 9:55 AM in response to Alias7

I am seeing this problem as well on my MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2012). It's almost impossible now to reset the PRAM since the R key is acting up. Now pressing UIO as a chord when keyboard acts up. This is bad. Hard to believe that it's hardware. Suffering.


Any new thoughts on a software fix. All the items on this thread haven't worked, except mashing the UIO simultaneously which I started doing today...



~James

Aug 6, 2016 8:06 PM in response to Alias7

I was having a similar problem where my F2/increase brightness, 2, w, s, x, tilde, and tab keys were intermittent. Over the course of a couple weeks it went from happening occasionally to at least half the time I was typing, and sometimes they wouldn't work for hours at a time. I tried all the resets, etc, but nothing helped. I was ready to accept that it was a hardware issue, and at best I would need a new keyboard. Then by chance I noticed a weird thing with Keyboard Viewer that if I held down the function key, the F2 key, and any combination of the w, s, and x keys, and then pressed any of the other F keys that the corresponding keys under that F key would appear as pressed (e.g. if I held down function, F2, s, and x, and then pressed F5, Keyboard Viewer would show that I was pressing g and b even though I wasn't). That got me back to thinking it was a software issue. I tried booting it into safe mode (holding down 'shift' while booting) and it seemed to work fine, then I booted normally and everything has been working perfectly for 24 hours. Hopefully, this helps someone else.

Aug 16, 2016 10:34 PM in response to Alias7

Don't bother guys, just replace a keyboard. I bought a used keyboard on ebay and replaced it with the help of my friend who is a car electric specialist. I am tech savvy person but this one requires a bit experience and good hands since circuit boards have several very tricky and miniature latches/connectors you have to be careful with. You have to disassabmle everything except for the display 🙂

Jan 23, 2017 11:47 AM in response to james90755

On my mid-2010 MBPro 15", problem keys were e,s,d,r. I ordered a new keyboard, but don't need it at present. The problem sometimes went away but came back. Didn't seem software-related. Blew out keys using canned air - no noticeable change. Finally removed those key caps (See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh88cn_rtLo for a really good presentation), and found a little dust and bits under keys. Pressing lightly on the rubber-covered center indicated that the actual contact was fine. Carefully blew out those keys and reinstalled the keycaps. Problem has disappeared.


Apparently, a very thin piece under the keys can keep them from going down far enough to produce the contact. The skin from a shelled peanut was enough to create a problem!

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