Q: IOS 7.1.2 is buggy, don't update

Meg St._Clair wrote:

 

 

Read TJBUSMC1973's excellent post just above mine. Then read it again.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

 

PoochJD wrote:

 

Seriously, Csound1, I think you need to reconsider what the words "tired and offensive" actually mean, before posting comments like you have, because you clearly don't understand what you are writing!

You didn't know Mr. Jobs. You can't possibly know what he would have done or thought had he been alive. So, yes, the fact that you and so many other people who gripes with Apple invoke his shade is tiresome and offensive. I think you clearly don't understand what you're writing or you wouldn't have done something so cliched and insulting.

It's especially appalling when the particular feature/product/procedure/policy that they gripe about is one that Steve actually initiated/implemented/requested, prior to stepping down/passing. 

In other words, it means they don't know what Steve actually did within the company, don't bother to do any research to learn, and simply throw out his name as an invective admonishment.

Agreed. I wish I had a nickel for every time some troll came on here and talked about Steve Jobs turning in his grave or some other remark about the poor guy. Why don't they leave him rest in peace already? Geez. Everyone is suddenly his best friend now that he's gone? How very offensive, indeed.

Hola
Yo actualize mi ipad al 7.1.2, empezo a tener problemas con que se reiniciaba sola.
Asi que la restaure y ahora no carga el IOS, en itunes dice esperando al ipad.
Algun consejo??

aslan12 wrote:

 

Hola
Yo actualize mi ipad al 7.1.2, empezo a tener problemas con que se reiniciaba sola.
Asi que la restaure y ahora no carga el IOS, en itunes dice esperando al ipad.
Algun consejo??

Usa iTunes para restaurar de nuevo el dispositivo.

I've had problems with almost every update, to the point that when I attempted to restore, it installed duplicate music files and boy, was THAT a pain in the butt to clean up!

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SusanInSFL wrote:

 

I've had problems with almost every update, to the point that when I attempted to restore, it installed duplicate music files and boy, was THAT a pain in the butt to clean up!

That's an issue with syncing with iTunes, not the iOS itself.

Resync your music via iTunes again.

You're missing the point. Why is the OS designed in such a way that downgrading it is a bad idea in the first place? I can easily and safely downgrade a system running OpenVMS. All I have to do is restore a backup. And OpenVMS is very secure. I believe this works with other OSes, too. I understand that _as is_ it's a bad idea with iOS. I'm just saying they could have designed the OS right in the first place. I'm just sayin'. Please don't repeat to me again that it's a bad idea to allow downgrades of iOS. I got that. I simply consider it to be a fault of the OS. Now if you want to explain _why_ the OS was designed this way, I'm all ears. (For security? Please say how. I'm just asking. :-|   )

"As far as your iTunes error 3004?  What research did you do about that?  Here, let me:  [Resolve iOS update and restore errors - Apple Support]"

Yes, I found all that. Good thing I didn't do any of it. Would've been a complete waste of time. Not only that, but my spare time is limited and all things considered it wouldn't be worth the trouble, esp. since I almost never watch videos on the iPad. I upgraded the iPad _only_ to make sure that the upgrade wouldn't do anything that would pi88 me off before I do the same upgrade on my iPhone, like when 5.0 made it almost impossible to get the video scrub bar up on my iPod. Had I been in a situation where I could have tested that first, I could have avoided the  pain of having my iPod scrub bar ruined and having to wait weeks or months for 5.1 to come out to fix it. Had the OS been designed so that a simple restore from backup would work, I wouldn't have to bother testing things on a spare device and could have simply gone back to 4.x to fix the scrub bar issue and wait for 5.1.

betaneptune wrote:

 

Now if you want to explain _why_ the OS was designed this way, I'm all ears.    

No one here could answer that question without indulging in speculation, something that is prohibited here. If you want Apple to know how you feel about the matter, submit your feedback here:

http://www.apple.com/feedback

betaneptune wrote:

 

You're missing the point. Why is the OS designed in such a way that downgrading it is a bad idea in the first place?

Because it is not relevant. IOS is the way it is, if that is not to your liking there are only 2 choices, adapt, or change OS.

Why would anyone design anything in a way that it's a bad idea to revert to the (or a) previous iteration? Doing that would be a bad idea in itself - just think of developers testing a new version. Beta-testing a new OS version isn't by definition a ticket to falling forward and just hope that somewhere along the line someone decides your device won't be supported after all (leaving it bricked). And once the testing period is over, there's no need to bake in a booby trap that makes it impossible to go back either. The signing procedures are enough to accomplish that: once a version is no longer signed one cannot go back to it, not without (somewhat) shady methods.

But as long as Apple signs them it's perfectly possible, via a not-too-openly but still documented feature in iTunes itself.

It's not something one can do lightheartedly, as I suppose one can indeed not restore a backup from a newer version onto a device running an older iOS version. But since we all make a backup before we upgrade (O:-)) we have at least that one which is compatible with the OS's previous version. And since iTunes also provides a way to archive backups, it's perfectly possible to make new backups all while keeping one around that allows you to go back to the version you just upgraded from, should it be necessary in the signing time window.

NB: IMO downgrading is also the surest way to re-apply an upgrade ...

Evolution isn't synonymous with improvement ... which is why 'devolution' is devoid of meaning

RJV Bertin wrote:

 

Evolution isn't synonymous with improvement ... which is why 'devolution' is devoid of meaning

As evolution is a theory that applies to living organisms capable of random mutation, your unattributed quote is as irrelevant as your demands to know why Apple has chosen a particular development path. Again, speculation is not permitted here. Continuing to do so tends to get posts removed.

You'd have a point if I referred directly to Darwin's Evolution Theory, or if I'd been demanding or speculating about anything. As it stands your post is as unhelpful as many others in this thread.

"TJBUSMC1973     Aug 4, 2014 12:58 PM 
  in response to SusanInSFL      

SusanInSFL wrote:

 

I've had problems with almost every update, to the point that when I attempted to restore, it installed duplicate music files and boy, was THAT a pain in the butt to clean up!

That's an issue with syncing with iTunes, not the iOS itself.

Resync your music via iTunes again"

Didn't work.  I've had iPhone since 2007 and there's ALWAYS been an issue with system updates.  Most times I have to call unhelpful 'techs' who always want to wipe and start from scratch, rather than repair the damage done by the updates.