Q: IOS 7.1.2 is buggy, don't update

betaneptune wrote:

And what's the point of making a pre-upgrade backup, anyway? If you can't downgrade, how is the backup going to be restored?

But you can, just not forever. And you have to do a bit of easy googling to find out how to do it, where to get the required installer, etc.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

 

enosmac wrote:

 

Apple obvioulsy didn't test this release enough as far as the installation/update procedure.  As from this thread you can see people have had issues updating.

So, you, a student, know more than all the people who have actually gotten degrees in things like computer science and who have gone on to get jobs at one (if not the) top tech company in the world. Obviously. Just like, obviously, all the millions of people who are not posting that they are having a problem are wrong.

Really. iMovie, for example, is loaded with bugs. It would take me a while to compile them. Your geniuses did that. I think it was more management's fault. They don't seem to GAF and don't allocate resources accordingly. TV shows out of order? And others _did_ have that problem, and posted. That's sorting! Probably the most studied and important function there is in computing. You'd think Apple could get sorting right. Nope, and I had to wait for an update. I could go on.

They're sitting on billions of dollars that they don't know what to do with, yet the forums are filled with all sorts of problems. How do you know how many people call Apple instead of posting here? How do you know how many people are just reading these threads, hoping to find a solution, and have nothing to add to the discussion (like a few here in this discussion!), and so stay out. And if they didn't, you'd be berating them just like you're doing to enosmac.

RJV Bertin wrote:

 

betaneptune wrote:

And what's the point of making a pre-upgrade backup, anyway? If you can't downgrade, how is the backup going to be restored?

But you can, just not forever. And you have to do a bit of easy googling to find out how to do it, where to get the required installer, etc.

What do you mean "just not forever"? Perhaps you mean if I catch it right away I can restore. Please try to be clear.

Easy Googling? And the "etc." doesn't sound like a quick fix. Where to get the required installer? What? You mean with the megabucks we pay for this stuff we have to Google and get extra parts and waste time on our own dime? Please.

You only seem to be arguing with yourself now. Are you winning? I think most other posters here see they are talking to a brick wall. Believe what you want, do what you wish, and I hope it makes you feel better.

Good luck

Pete

TJBUSMC1973 wrote:

 

It's very simple.  If it was the operating system that was at fault (and not a faulty install or a hardware related issue), then every single iOS device running iOS 7.1.2 would have the same issues.  But they don't.

 

Do the recommended troubleshooting on your iPhone, including restoring it as new properly [iOS: How to back up your data and set up your device as a ...].  If, as new, you continue to have performance issues, then contact Apple who will either have more troubleshooting steps, depending on the specific issue, or recommend hardware replacement.

 

This is a very simple concept.

That would be true if all other things were equal, but they're not. What version of iTunes are you running? On a Mac or PC? (Can you even upgrade from a PC?) What version of OS are you running on your Mac? Which Mac? Are you upgrading an ipod, ipad, iphone? Which version/generation/whatever? Which version of iOS are you upgrading from? What bundled apps do you typically use? If you don't watch TV shows, then if they're out of order, you won't care or even know.

Put on your glasses.

SusanInSFL wrote:

Didn't work.  I've had iPhone since 2007 and there's ALWAYS been an issue with system updates.  Most times I have to call unhelpful 'techs' who always want to wipe and start from scratch, rather than repair the damage done by the updates.

Well, you cannot really blame them for that. Unfortunately (but understandably), one cannot do the same kind of troubleshooting on a smartphone as on a regular computer (desktop, laptop, etc). The tools are simply missing, undoubtedly in part because everything is so walled-off. Add the complexity of the OS with the specific set of applications and data that resides on your phone, and you have a situation where the best approach is to wipe and reinstall.

It's comparable to how hardware is repaired: rather than searching for the resistance, capacitance, IC or whatever that needs to be replaced, you identify the smallest circuit board that can be swapped out for a new or tested one. The replaced component either goes to the trash immediately, or to a specialised repair centre were highly trained personnel spends their days trying to resuscitate all those components. This isn't new either: I first encountered it back around '92 when I got a new motherboard to repair the faulty power-on relay switch.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

 

betaneptune wrote:

 

Now if you want to explain _why_ the OS was designed this way, I'm all ears.   

No one here could answer that question without indulging in speculation, something that is prohibited here. If you want Apple to know how you feel about the matter, submit your feedback here:

 

http://www.apple.com/feedback

OK. But I also want an answer.

I've outlined the reason why you can't downgrade forever in an earlier post.

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betaneptune wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

 

betaneptune wrote:

 

You're missing the point. Why is the OS designed in such a way that downgrading it is a bad idea in the first place?

Because it is not relevant. IOS is the way it is, if that is not to your liking there are only 2 choices, adapt, or change OS.

 

So you don't know, either?

I neither know or care, why should I, I can buy it or not, it's my choice. If I do not like the way Apple products work I can buy something else, not complain that Apple did not make it the way I want (as they won't change it just for me) or the few other people in this thread.

Buy something else, something that does not require you to to complain about it.

betaneptune wrote:

 

Meg St._Clair wrote:

 

betaneptune wrote:

 

Now if you want to explain _why_ the OS was designed this way, I'm all ears.   

No one here could answer that question without indulging in speculation, something that is prohibited here. If you want Apple to know how you feel about the matter, submit your feedback here:

 

http://www.apple.com/feedback

OK. But I also want an answer.

But you are not going to get one.

petermac87 wrote:

 

SusanInSFL wrote:

 

 

 

So, once again, what are the exact problems that I can expect in updating my iPhone 4 to this system, from the existing, working 6.1.3?

So far, between family and friends and a few employees, roughly 30 iPhones, both 4S and 5S, and roughly a couple of dozen iPads, not a single problem at all. Asking these questions in Troubleshooting Forums is akin to walking into a hospital and asking "Is it possible to get sick? Oh look EVERYBODY is, so I must be going to get sick too."

 

Pete

No. First of all, it's her question, not just going to a forum. Her question is like asking what shots she should get before traveling to a foreign country where it is known that there some diseases to worry about. "Gee, I went to country X and everything went just fine." is not helpful.

Csound1 wrote:

 

betaneptune wrote:

 

Meg St._Clair wrote:

 

betaneptune wrote:

 

Now if you want to explain _why_ the OS was designed this way, I'm all ears.  

No one here could answer that question without indulging in speculation, something that is prohibited here. If you want Apple to know how you feel about the matter, submit your feedback here:

 

http://www.apple.com/feedback

OK. But I also want an answer.

But you are not going to get one.

Well, duh. That's kind of what I meant. Guess I was too subtle.

betaneptune wrote:

 

Meg St._Clair wrote:

 

enosmac wrote:

 

Apple obvioulsy didn't test this release enough as far as the installation/update procedure.  As from this thread you can see people have had issues updating.

So, you, a student, know more than all the people who have actually gotten degrees in things like computer science and who have gone on to get jobs at one (if not the) top tech company in the world. Obviously. Just like, obviously, all the millions of people who are not posting that they are having a problem are wrong.

yet the forums are filled with all sorts of problems.

It's almost unbelievable that a support forum for users with problems is full of users with problems. imagine that. I can hardly believe that in this thread there are dozens of people complaining.

You are now simply becoming an annoying and arguementative troll with nothing relevant to add. Give up while you are only this far behind. Your credibility is already in tatters and you refuse to follow any advice given.

but good luck lol

Pete