Logic playback Sounds Different From Bounced .WAV .AIFF &.MP3's

I am usually pretty good at mastering. Maximizing my volume for just about any sample or song i produce. But this has had me stuck all day. Literally. And every time I do something to correct it, something else seems to get off or it just doesnt sound the like i heard it. And thats the big problem here.
What i hear in logic, no matter what i seem to do, (I can and have worked back on the forth on the mix and the mastering 100 times) And it just never replicates what I'm hearing. How are you suppose to produce if you cant rely on what you are hearing? I even start bouncing terrible sounding mix, just to see if it would be consistent and of course those are terrible. i don't understand what I'm doing wrong on this one. It has me baffled to the point Im going to give up on music, and life, and everything that was important to me. So someone please help.

J/k about the suicide, but still. PLEASE HELP!

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Aug 1, 2014 2:54 AM

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Aug 2, 2014 9:48 AM in response to clay1989

okay, ill try the not normalizing. that is like probably the one thing i havent tried.


thanks you guys. and sorry about the lack of information. but how do i say all the stuff in the 17+ hours i have put into this mastering process. lol but last night after everything failed. there is one thing about this song that is different then every other song i make and that is that i started working on this song in 9. then i got x so it transferred over. im wondering if that has anything to do with the problem. because the only thing i could think was the problem after all of this is that it must be a glitch.

Aug 1, 2014 10:10 PM in response to clay1989

So day two now of working of this. I went back into the mix thoroughly and did many things many corrected what ever compression i saw i could try and squeeze. but in the end. no matter what i bounce it never sounds like what im listening too. please someone have some valuable insight on what i should do. i feel i have literally tried everything. and inside logic the song sounds great but once i bounce it it sounds like crap.

Aug 2, 2014 1:38 PM in response to seeren

I am bouncing as a wav mostly. but ive tried aif just about as many times as .wav. Regular format 16 bit 441100 samples or something, intervaled, normalize on and off. itunes is what im listening it back from. the thing thats wrong is that in certian parts no matter what i seem to do areas of certian instruments volumes are being taking away and others maybe added. but either way in the logic file its not there. its a full sound and its good. i have mixtered and just regular mixed. ive have a file for each that is the way i like it for either. User uploaded fileUser uploaded file

Aug 2, 2014 10:56 AM in response to seeren

Well i dont think i have any "itunes enhancements" and im not clipping. at all.


What i can tell you is this. i have a guitar loop, a second and a third guitar, a horn section, drums, bass, 3 tracks of lead vocals, & a acoustic guitar. all have been compressed and EQ'd. i have buses going to all the things that are grouped. i.e. drums, vocals, guitars, ect... i have those buses compressed and EQ'd. & 2 effect buses. i have mixed it over 100 different ways(or it seems, maybe literally)


I also, want to mention this is the only song i have ever had this problem. and just last night i came to the realization that this is the only song in which i started in nine and carried over and finished in ten. Now, i really hope to christ this isnt a glitch. This is one of the best song people have said i have ever made. i would like to be able to produce this maximizing its volume. the only time i have ever been able to produce this song half right. is with it quieter than most professional music.


So that any better?

Aug 2, 2014 11:18 AM in response to clay1989

Also, it sounds like you are trying to master the multi-track.


No mastering engineer will ask for the multi-track to master from. A worst case scenario would be stems but they'd still only do this if they have a severe problem with the mix that they cannot solve.


Adding compression for sound is ok but you should do nothing for volume in your multitrack. Bounce out the best mix you can possibly achieve with headroom and bring back into logic as a stereo wav to deal with volume. This way you'll have a lot less issues. Mastering is not getting the track loud. That comes into mastering but there is much much more to the mastering process than mere volume.


Hope some of this helps.

Aug 2, 2014 11:24 AM in response to clay1989

A little better. How are you bouncing, to what format, settings? How are you listening back to this bounce and determining that it is flawed? What exactly is wrong with the bounce? Are you 'mixtering' (putting the mastering process on the output of the mix) or bouncing then mastering? Play the song through, at the end take a screenshot of the mixer, making sure we can see all the channels. Also, when you are about to bounce, take a screenshot of that. command-shift-4 will let you lasso an area and put it on the desktop.


FYI: Normalization makes it so the highest peak of the song = 0. It will raise or lower the level of the entire thing to achieve this. Overload protection only will not raise the level to 0, but will reduce the level if it goes over.


Edit: I type way too slow

Aug 2, 2014 1:12 PM in response to octopi

Wow. okay. you have my really stumped here. I feel dumb saying this. but im not even sure what all exactly you mean by "multi-track." it sounds important though.


And ive heard of stems before but im not sure how to produce them really, other than selecting the tracks i want to stem by solo'ing and just bouncing that. which ill be honest ive thought about doing for this.



And i want to say ive done that and tried that. the "Bounce out the best mix you can possibly achieve with headroom and bring back into logic as a stereo wav to deal with volume." but everytime i go to add volume. thats where its messes up again. and it takes volume away for certian areas where when i listen to it in logic is full and good.

Aug 2, 2014 4:47 PM in response to clay1989

You have the original (the multi-track, which is what you have shown in your screen shots). You don't need to make stems.


With all that **** on your output no wonder it sounds odd.


Take anything and everything out of the main output insets that you're using for volume. Don't concern yourself with volume at this stage. Just turn your speakers up. Bounce it out like this with at least 3dbfs of headroom. Bring that single stereo file back into Logic and then deal only with volume. You have compressors on nearly every channel and 5 plugs on the main output that are either comps or limiters.


Just out of interest, what RMS values are you getting out of your main output?

Aug 3, 2014 11:52 AM in response to clay1989

Now, lemme say how i figured it out.


the problem had nothing to do witht the stems you were right. {(probably) (im not sure because, i did happen to do the stem route, and it worked fine, probably didnt have to, but i wanted to learn how to produce a song with stems anyway.)}


So i made the stems, bounce a good mix from that. the started mastering... now heres where i think i was going wrong, i was trying to add volume in all of the wrong ways. hers the big thing i learned (DYNAMIC PLUG-INS) the one inparticular(EXPANDER) its like the opposite of compression, or thats how i like to look at it. but thats what i needed. i need to expand the way file of the mix that i liked so much. full of volume and pep, and now it sounds good.


thanks for all your help guys. i wouldnt have been able to do it will out you guys probably.

May 8, 2016 11:41 PM in response to clay1989

I recently ran into this issue with Waves Widener. The best way to avoid this is:


Always check your mix in mono. Do it often, do it every time you make a big mixing change to make sure the levels are correct. If your hardware deosnt have mono use the gain utility plugin (it has a mono button). This is the easiest way to tell if your bounce will be balanced.


The wideners seem to cause phase issues I've found, so adding phasing issues almost always kills the end product sound. This seems to always happen on guitars for me. Use LCR, EQ and panning to widen tracks.


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