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Q: Is an iBook secretly a dinosaur?

Hi All,


I am new here and not the most tech savvy... both myself and my husband are Mac users but we aren't too sure how to deal with an alien creature that has landed on our homework table (AKA the old school iBook)... My son has autism therefore we do not want to spend a fortune on a computer for him just yet but as he struggles to read and write the school has recommended a computer for him.

 

We were given an iBook - let me give you all the details I can:
Mac OSX 10.3.9
Processor: 600 MHz Power PC G3
Memory: 384 MB SDRAM
CPU Type: Power PC 750 (1.2)
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512kb
Bus Speed: 100 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.3.6f3

 

MEMORY SLOT
Dimmo/Built In: 128MB
DIMM1/J12: 256MB - 5 DRAM - PC100U-322

 

USB

Speed up to 12MB
Bus Power: 500t

 

I have NO IDEA what all this means. But I can provide you with what my son needs to do on this Mac:

*Have the ability to surf the net for homework research and probably play games on KIZI - we cannot do this. It doesn't appear to be wifi enabled. There is a bizarre little telephone next to the battery top right of the home screen. When you click it there is INTERNAL MODEM ticked. When you click on the CONNECT icon it doesn't do anything other than a pop up stating there is "no dial tone connected" - Is there a way to connect this Mac to the internet without having to have a cable?


*To be able to use Microsoft Word, Powerpoint, Excel - This will only be for homework. Nothing strenuous and nothing saved for a long period of time.

 

*In an ideal world the ability to connect my sons iPod - Rather than using my Mac to do this.

Thanks so much in advance for your help. I haven't been able to find any anywhere else. Please do put any comments in idiot terms; I find it all rather a foreign language....

 

 

Leanne

iBook, Mac OS X (10.3.x)

Posted on Aug 20, 2014 4:19 PM

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  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Aug 20, 2014 8:09 PM in response to thecurtiscobbsters
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    Aug 20, 2014 8:09 PM in response to thecurtiscobbsters

    The question begs an answer...

    Easier if you rephrase it though.

     

    I'd say No.

     

    {Nothing secret about vintage/obsolete status

    ...of the entire series from 1999 to 2005.}

     

    A better choice would be an early MacBook 13-inch model

    with Snow Leopard 10.6.8 running, and at least 2GB RAM.

    A hard drive capacity of 60 to 120GB, and some applications

    that can run on it. Still not current by several years, but OK.

     

    The http://everymac.com site can be used to compare specs

    of obsolete, vintage, and near current hardware model series.

    Another source is a download database that runs offline to see

    the specs and upgrade possibilities of many Apple items... from

    http://mactracker.ca and is helpful.

     

    You need to know the exact software they expect your child to

    use and have in the computer, and that means the software has

    minimum specifications & requirements for the machine to run it.

     

    Various companies sell repaired and restored or refurbished Macs

    and those are vintage or not current... Older than the like-new models

    the online Apple Store has in their Special Deals refurbished section.

     

    Some places to look may include reputable computer stores near

    you that take in older models, repair, and resell them. With guaranty.

     

    Online companies I know about that may be OK, offer used models

    with a guaranty for a limited time, and their web sites offer other

    Mac related parts. macsales.com has some portable macs. Another

    that gets a variety in, and repairs computers for a living, has been

    around awhile, they're in South Carolina. wegenermedia.com. Then

    there are others such as powermax, and maybe a dozen others.

     

    You can get an early 13-in. MacBook (intel) coreduo or core2duo for

    as little as $300. I see a few in the local craigslist that look OK for

    $150 & up to $500 that are somewhat like a working one I was given..

     

    I also have an iBook G4 12" last model (mid-2005) that runs Leopard

    OS X 10.5.8, and still works OK online. Batteries are a concern as

    these do not have a shelf life; they are expected to last a year or so.

     

    The MacBook series could be a likely vintage to look into since it

    started in 2006 and ended in 2010. The 'mid-2010' 13-inch model

    was the last one of that build series; and that evolved throughout

    its duration. See & compare specs at everymac & mactracker.

     

    A used computer with the correct install-restore DVD for the Mac OS
    running in the computer, is a plus. Since getting vintage OS X and

    other software is problematic and can be costly... plus its out-of-date.

    Yet, if you had the proper software, a working computer of the same

    era could run it.

     

    The iBook G3 dualUSB early white portable is problematic, it may

    or may not have the AirPort card installed (under keyboard, next

    to the upgrade RAM slot) and if so, it may work - or not - and if it

    does, it may not work with your later spec wireless base station.

     

    The Microsoft software would have to be of a vintage that works

    in the operating system supported by the old iBook G3.

     

    I'd consider the G3 iBook 600MHz computer as a hobbyist item

    and perhaps a dubious collectable. The earlier 500MHz first

    edition dual-USB model was OK, I owned one. But I'd be lacking

    in kindness if I said that anything less than a MacBook was ideal.

     

    {In fact, personally I'd go for the base model MacBook Pro 13"

    available at online Apple Store, in either refurb or new, with the

    built-in optical drive. And a RAM upgrade, at some point.}

     

    There is no telling how long the gifted iBook G3 dualUSB (white)

    will continue to work, and if you are not technically minded, the

    antique models of vintage or obsolete are not a good choice.

    You need to provide a level of support to your child's experience

    and when you have no hardware or software knowledge, that will

    make for a frustrating experience for both of you.

     

    Anyway, I waited a few hours and nobody else posted here.

    No telling (while I write) if anyone who writes faster or has

    a super quick internet access, may have replied...

     

    The PowerPC vintage of Apple computers is not supported

    by most sources, some parts and old software, searching

    on amazon or ebay, or contacting a local Apple User group,

    or a school district with sale antiques to dispose of, among

    other sources of fix it yourself old...

     

    The macsales (OWC) and wegenermedia sites both have whatever

    models they have online, and are older ones than Apple would sell.

    And these are a moving target, inventory changes daily.

     

    These are probably ideal for instances where a portable could see

    damage, theft, or other mishap, at less than full retail, and have a

    limited guaranty by the seller. Other companies do this; where this

    departs from the guess work and questions or flakey products one

    may find on an auction site or in some craigslist ads. A used Mac

    from a company that specializes in repair and offers service is a

    fair bet. If you can fix things yourself & know the product, then it

    may be an OK idea to mess around with Macs & fix an old one up.

     

    But there really isn't much new or current in web browsers, for

    older Macs. The iBook G3 could likely run OS X 10.4.11 (Tiger)

    and then free browsers such as TenFourFox can be run, there is

    not much out there, older versions software may be found/bought

    and within supported specs, run on there.

     

    Anyway...

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by a brody,

    a brody a brody Aug 21, 2014 4:38 AM in response to thecurtiscobbsters
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    Aug 21, 2014 4:38 AM in response to thecurtiscobbsters

    Some of the things to consider here, that iBook may be able to run older versions of Word and Excel, but it won't be able to open newer Word, Powerpoint, and Excel documents.

     

    There are older versions of Office counterparts that will run on Mac OS X 10.4.11, which you can upgrade your iBook to, and add 256 MB of RAM to make 10.4.11 run better.    But after you get done researching which RAM is right, and finding the 10.4.6 operating system disc, and an Firewire external DVD drive able to help you upgrade, you still won't get full Java compatibility.  Your Flash compatibility will be based on a hack:

     

    Java and Mac OS X 10.4

     

    And then games will not operate anywhere near as fast as you would want, unless they are not so sophisticated games, or older games.

     

    So yes, many people can operate on an older machine, but is it worth the cost of searching for hard to find software?

     

    That's up to you.   The person giving you the iBook would have been far better advised to buy you a set of software that meets your needs before selling it to you.

     

    I agree a machine that can run 10.6.8 is probably a better investment.

     

    My FAQ*:

     

    http://www.macmaps.com/usedrefurbished.html should help you find the right ones.

     

    And I suggest selling the iBook if you can't return it to the person who gave it to you to someone who can live with the older software.

    * Links to my pages may give me compensation.

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Aug 23, 2014 12:13 PM in response to a brody
    Level 6 (14,234 points)
    Desktops
    Aug 23, 2014 12:13 PM in response to a brody

    ...Just the other day, I popped-in to a box under the cabinet to see how

    my iBook G4 12-inch 'mid-2005' PPC 1.33GHz w/ 1.5GB RAM + 40GB

    HDD is doing; he said he was fine, but still needed a new (newertech?)

    battery and a larger hard disk drive... Really, he said the dream was an

    SSD from OWC for legacy use in older portables; maybe a 120GB.

     

    But I gently said 'good night' and closed the box and let the comatose

    iBook G4 (as new, with plastic over its polycarbonate, still) remain in

    stasis... As one of only two Macs I bought & kept from the Apple Store

    (online) as new -shipped by FedEx by truck- to AK + survive Canada Rd,

    I don't want to sell it. And can't see upgrading it just for Leopard 10.5.8.

     

    So while it may be true there is a ghost in the machine, they may also dream.