rmflightmec

Q: Too slow.

What should and shouldn't be running in my background?; using up my virtual memory.

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6)

Posted on Sep 14, 2014 5:24 PM

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  • by Kappy,

    Kappy Kappy Sep 14, 2014 5:30 PM in response to rmflightmec
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    Sep 14, 2014 5:30 PM in response to rmflightmec

    Your computer does not have "virtual memory." It has RAM and hard drive storage space.

     

    If you want to know what is running on the computer then see:

     

    Open Activity Monitor in the Utilities folder.  Select All Processes from the Processes dropdown menu.  Click on the Name column header to display in descending order. 


    Using Activity Monitor to read System Memory & determine how much RAM is used

    OS X Mavericks- About Activity Monitor

     

    Understanding top output in the Terminal

     

    The amount of available RAM for applications is the sum of Free RAM and Inactive RAM. This will change as applications are opened and closed or change from active to inactive status. The Swap figure represents an estimate of the total amount of swap space required for VM if used, but does not necessarily indicate the actual size of the existing swap file. If you are really in need of more RAM that would be indicated by how frequently the system uses VM. If you open the Terminal and run the top command at the prompt you will find information reported on Pageins () and Pageouts (). Pageouts () is the important figure. If the value in the parentheses is 0 (zero) then OS X is not making instantaneous use of VM which means you have adequate physical RAM for the system with the applications you have loaded. If the figure in parentheses is running positive and your hard drive is constantly being used (thrashing) then you need more physical RAM.

     

    Adding RAM only makes it possible to run more programs concurrently.  It doesn't speed up the computer nor make games run faster.  What it can do is prevent the system from having to use disk-based VM when it runs out of RAM because you are trying to run too many applications concurrently or using applications that are extremely RAM dependent.  It will improve the performance of applications that run mostly in RAM or when loading programs.

  • by MrHoffman,Helpful

    MrHoffman MrHoffman Sep 14, 2014 6:03 PM in response to rmflightmec
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    Sep 14, 2014 6:03 PM in response to rmflightmec

    OS X is based on a concept known as virtual memory.   Virtual memory is built on the combination of physical memory (RAM) for the active parts of the running application programs and also on using disk storage as an overflow area when there is not enough physical memory (RAM) to hold everything.   This is a trade-off, as processor cache memory is really fast and really expensive and small, and RAM is expensive and fast and not all that big, and disk is cheaper and slower and comparatively huge. 

     

    When applications start hitting the disk excessively — that's a part of the implementation behind virtual memory that's called paging or swapping — when the contents of RAM are copied out to disk to make room in RAM for something else, and then when that data is copied back into RAM — then — as you're probably seeking here — offloading applications and freeing RAM, or adding more RAM are typical solutions.   (More technical details of virtual memory on OS X and iOS.)

     

    Etrecheck is usually a good way to get an overview of what's been installed on the system, and then you can decide whether you want the package, and whether you want to have it running.  (Not sure if Etrecheck still works as far back as 10.6, though it's worth a try.)   Etrecheck will look around at the hardware and software and will generate a report with hopefully-obfuscated information, and usually suitable for posting here.  Do make sure there is nothing confidential before posting the data here.  Or whether you want and can afford to and physically can add more RAM — some configurations can add more RAM, some cannot — or if a newer Mac system is in your future.

  • by BobHarris,Helpful

    BobHarris BobHarris Sep 14, 2014 6:34 PM in response to rmflightmec
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    Sep 14, 2014 6:34 PM in response to rmflightmec

    Post the output from EtreCheck

    <https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6174>

     

    It is very possible you have been running things that claim to help your Mac, and result in spending all your resources.

     

    Also please tell us how you use your Mac, especially when you are noticing that it is running slow.

     

    While it is possible you are having an issue with memory, chances are you are focusing on the wrong thing.  The EtreCheck output ALONG with a description of how you are using your Mac will help us help you figure out what is going on.

  • by rmflightmec,

    rmflightmec rmflightmec Sep 15, 2014 6:01 AM in response to BobHarris
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    Sep 15, 2014 6:01 AM in response to BobHarris

    My system uses 300 MB active memory when nothing else is being used on a Snow Leopard system, just wondering if this is normal.  Editing pictures locks up constantly because it uses up the rest of remaining virtual memory even with everything else closed.

     

    0 kernel_taskroot2.25991.1 MB17.0 MB
    1 launchdroot0.031,020 KB38.6 MB
    12 diskarbitrationdroot0.021.4 MB29.1 MB
    18 ntpdroot0.011.1 MB17.5 MB
    36 dynamic_pagerroot0.01788 KB17.4 MB
    78 cvmsServroot0.02972 KB19.0 MB
    13 configdroot0.073.3 MB42.4 MB
    25 securitydroot0.122.8 MB27.0 MB
    31 KernelEventAgentroot0.031,004 KB29.2 MB
    43 bluedroot0.024.3 MB29.3 MB
    61 socketfilterfwroot0.033.1 MB29.4 MB
    14 syslogdroot0.04740 KB39.2 MB
    44 autofsdroot0.02932 KB28.1 MB
    15 DirectoryServiceroot0.064.7 MB32.4 MB
    4358 activitymonitordroot1.111.1 MB28.6 MB
    33 hiddroot0.02948 KB29.1 MB
    57 coreservicesdroot0.6512.3 MB42.6 MB
    10 kextdroot0.023.0 MB13.9 MB
    28 mdsroot0.3537.1 MB165.5 MB
    34 fseventsdroot0.1142.2 MB34.7 MB
    11 notifydroot0.02584 KB26.9 MB
    4372 ocspdroot0.042.0 MB29.7 MB
    16 distnoteddaemon0.131.2 MB29.6 MB
    29 mDNSResponder_mdnsresponder0.031.9 MB40.8 MB
    59 WindowServer_windowserver2.7531.7 MB53.3 MB
    4230 mdworker_spotlight0.033.2 MB30.8 MB
    90 coreaudiod_coreaudiod0.032.1 MB31.1 MB
    22 usbmuxd_usbmuxd0.032.1 MB39.5 MB
  • by BobHarris,

    BobHarris BobHarris Sep 15, 2014 6:08 AM in response to rmflightmec
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    Sep 15, 2014 6:08 AM in response to rmflightmec

    Post the output from EtreCheck

    <https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6174>

    It will give us useful information to help evaluate your system.

     

    The memory usage information you have posted does not show anything unusual.

  • by rmflightmec,

    rmflightmec rmflightmec Sep 15, 2014 6:17 AM in response to BobHarris
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    Sep 15, 2014 6:17 AM in response to BobHarris

      1 2.16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo CPU: 2 cores

      1 GB RAM

     

    Video Information: ?

      GMA 950 - VRAM: spdisplays_integrated_vram

      Color LCD 1280 x 800

      spdisplays_display_connector

     

    System Software: ?

      Mac OS X 10.6.8 (10K549) - Uptime: 1 day 19:13:50

     

    Disk Information: ?

      TOSHIBA MK1655GSXF disk0 : (149.05 GB)

      S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified

      - (disk0s1) <not mounted>: 200 MB

      Macintosh HD (disk0s2) / [Startup]: 148.73 GB (76.67 GB free)

     

    USB Information: ?

      Micron Built-in iSight

      Apple Computer Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad

      Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

      Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver

     

    Launch Daemons: ?

      [loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist Support

      [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_service.plist Support

     

    Launch Agents: ?

      [failed] com.canon.SPPHelper.plist Support

      [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer.plist Support

      [not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_desktop.plist Support

      [failed] jp.co.canon.SELPHYCP.BG.plist Support

     

    User Launch Agents: ?

      [loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist Support

      [failed] com.apple.CSConfigDotMacCert-@me.com-SharedServices.Agent.plist

     

    User Login Items: ?

      iTunesHelper

      SpeechSynthesisServer

      AdobeResourceSynchronizer

      TuneupMyMac

     

    Internet Plug-ins: ?

      Flip4Mac WMV Plugin: Version: 2.4.4.2 Support

      FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 14.0.0.145 - SDK 10.6 Support

      JavaAppletPlugin: Version: 13.9.8 - SDK 10.6 Check version

      AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: Version: 10.1.10 Support

      Flash Player: Version: 14.0.0.145 - SDK 10.6 Outdated! Update

      AdobePDFViewer: Version: 10.1.10 Support

      QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.6.6

      SELPHY Photo Print Plugin: Version: 1.1.0.2 Support

      Silverlight: Version: 5.0.61118.0 - SDK 10.6 Support

      iPhotoPhotocast: Version: 7.0

     

    iTunes Plug-ins: ?

      Quartz Composer Visualizer: Version: 1.2

     

    3rd Party Preference Panes: ?

      Flash Player  Support

      Flip4Mac WMV  Support

     

    Time Machine: ?

      Time Machine information requires OS X 10.7 "Lion" or later.

     

    Top Processes by CPU: ?

          30% WebProcess

          1% WindowServer

          0% fontd

          0% activitymonitord

          0% Finder

     

    Top Processes by Memory: ?

      340 MB WebProcess

      51 MB Safari

      28 MB mds

      26 MB WindowServer

      23 MB Finder

     

    Virtual Memory Information: ?

      65 MB Free RAM

      622 MB Active RAM

      129 MB Inactive RAM

      208 MB Wired RAM

      326 MB Page-ins

      76 MB Page-outs

  • by BobHarris,

    BobHarris BobHarris Sep 15, 2014 7:03 AM in response to rmflightmec
    Level 6 (19,682 points)
    Mac OS X
    Sep 15, 2014 7:03 AM in response to rmflightmec

      1 GB RAM

     

    Editing pictures locks up constantly

     

    Image editing generally requires a lot of memory.  Having only 1GB pushes (exceeds) the limits of what 1GB of RAM can do these days.

     

    You could really benefit from more RAM.  If you go to Crucial.com or MacSales.com, where you input the Mac and which generation, and they will tell you how much RAM you can add, and of course how much it will cost (generally adding RAM is not that expensive these days).  They will also provide pointers to instructions on doing the RAM install.

  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Sep 15, 2014 2:44 PM in response to rmflightmec
    Level 9 (50,514 points)
    Mac OS X
    Sep 15, 2014 2:44 PM in response to rmflightmec

    Get rid of TuneupMyMac:

     

    • Never install any product that claims to "clean up", "speed up",  "optimize", "boost" or "accelerate" your Mac; to "wash" it, "tune" it, or to make it "shiny". Those claims are absurd.
      • Such products are very aggressively marketed. They are all scams.

     

    Follow these instructions: http://www.tuneupmymac.com/uninstall/

  • by MrHoffman,Solvedanswer

    MrHoffman MrHoffman Sep 15, 2014 6:39 PM in response to BobHarris
    Level 6 (15,637 points)
    Mac OS X
    Sep 15, 2014 6:39 PM in response to BobHarris

    BobHarris wrote:

    You could really benefit from more RAM.

     

    BobHarris has given you your answer.  Memory.

     

    Virtual memory requires physical memory, and if there's not enough physical memory available, then OS X will be paging all of your programs in and out.  Paging heavily.   Reading in memory from disk storage, after writing out other memory to disk storage to make room, because there's not enough free memory to just keep the data around.  Effectively, your system memory will be running not that much faster than your disk can read and write data, and that's not very fast.

     

    "Buy more memory", as the old saying goes.

     

    If you're planning on keeping this Mac and can afford it (and if it'll fit), then I'd look to upgrade to at least four gigabytes here, and more if it'll fit and you can afford it.   If this Mac is supported by Mavericks and if you're eventually planning to upgrade, then the Mavericks minimum is 2 GB, and that's not really enough for any sort of image processing or related memory-intensive tasks.

  • by rmflightmec,

    rmflightmec rmflightmec Sep 16, 2014 1:58 AM in response to BobHarris
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    Sep 16, 2014 1:58 AM in response to BobHarris

    Thanks for all the help, i shall explore my options.