Why can my AVCHD Panasonic camcorder record continuously past the 4GB FAT32 limit?

I know it's not an FCP X question but this is the most appropriate forum I can find on ASC.


According to my Panasonic manual my camcorder can record continuously for 12 hours (assuming the SD card is large enough).


I have been looking at DSLR cameras and they all appear to be restricted to the FAT32 limit of 4GB which means that after shooting continuously for about 20 minutes they stop and have to be restarted manually thus creating a gap in the continuity of what is recorded.


How does my camcorder manage to ignore that limit?


Does it automatically start recording a new file after 4GB and somehow playback the files seamlessly?


If this is the case, why don't DSLRs do it or is there some expensive modification involved?

iMac, OS X Mavericks (10.9.4), Little knowledge... many opinions.

Posted on Sep 16, 2014 3:14 AM

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Sep 16, 2014 4:58 AM in response to Ian R. Brown

a) tax reasons ...

A camcorder (or VHS recorder...) has a diff. = higher tax rate; devices which are not 'camcorders' = defined by length of video, cost a few cent less on import ... Why the DSLR makers don't accept these few bucks - I don't know. For me as a customer, an unlimited 450€ is 'better' than a restricted 419€ .... 😝

(Not so long ago, you could 'hack' those Euro-specific-limitations. Or, some buy vDSLR for that reason in US or Asia.. )


b) AVCHD vs. mov/mp4:

The AVCHD structure contains the mts = video PLUS 'other' data; in this case i.e. the 'advice': "stitch mts1 with mts2" to one single video. Many 'smart people', who strip-off the AVCHD-structure and orphanize the mts, notice in some NLEs 'gaps', flashing frames etc. = the 'stitching' doesn't work correctly. As a keyword in that context: if the codec uses GOP, ideally the GOP is closed at the end of #1. If not, the meta-infos in those 'other' AVCHD-files tell the NLE to proceed. Many 'green flash issues' are base upon this.


c) Camcorder are designed for long recordings

e.g. my tiny Sony NEX5 supports fullHD video - but gets incredible hot when doing so beyond 20-30min of continous recording. My Pana is meant for long videos: hardware is optimized, enough CPU-power included. So, there's no hardware hickup, when the SDcard reports "single file full!", there's enough 'room' to prepare the switch from file#1 to file#2. (could be a cam's Ram thing.. beyond me).


plus 'Image': vDSLR have the image of 'pro' = used for scenic/theatrical projects = short 'takes', no '2h a piece'. A camcorder is more a 'Daddy films daughters ballet'-thingie.


d) exFat

In theory, such DSLR could use exFat (or NTFS) as card-format; why this isn't done, is beyond my knowledge. Patents & licence fees, I assume...


e) due to 4k res, 4:4:4 encoding, 60p/120p/240p fps etc etc the sheer amount of data makes many cam-makers to decide NOT using AVCHD, but simple mov/mp4 as wrappers; or their own, as Sony mxf, or Reds .r3d, which ignore those histroic limitations.


trivia:

sanDisk announced lately a 512GB SDcard = half a terabyte! on a 'stamp'.... 138 chunks of 4GB..... 😁

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