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Q: Messages app won't login to Google talk!

Not sure if others have had this problem, but when trying to set up a messages account using my google info I get a window that pops up sayingL

 

talk.google.com password

messages can't long in to **.gmail.com because your login ID or password is incorrect.

 

I have entered in the correct information and the window stays saying the information is incorrect.

 

Is this a bug in the system or is there a way to set up messages without using my apple id (which is used on multiple systems).

 

Thank you

OS X Mavericks (10.9.4), Macbook Pro Late 2013

Posted on Sep 16, 2014 4:42 PM

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  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Sep 17, 2014 1:42 PM in response to MacUser-70
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    Sep 17, 2014 1:42 PM in response to MacUser-70

    HI,

     

    You may need to go to your Google Setting and allow the Less Secure app setting to be enabled.

     

     

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    9:42 pm      Wednesday; September 17, 2014

     

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  • by Matt Clifton,

    Matt Clifton Matt Clifton Sep 26, 2014 5:26 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Sep 26, 2014 5:26 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    Ralph - I recently hit this issue, and in my case had an email from Google warning that it had detected suspicious access from our IP (probably trying to log into Messages too many times). Do you know exactly what "less secure apps" entails, and why Apple Messages (a modern application, with SSL capability) should be one?

     

    thanks

     

    Matt

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Sep 26, 2014 11:18 AM in response to Matt Clifton
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    Sep 26, 2014 11:18 AM in response to Matt Clifton

    Hi Matt,

     

    Whilst Google do have their eye on some  third party apps  across several platforms there is also the on-going issues between the two firms.

     

    As to whether it is malicious in any sense is open to question.

     

    As I have said (in another thread) I found the setting made but don't remember  ever changing it.

    But I have been using th Google talk server since iChat 3 came out when you had to change the server name after adding the account.

     

    Realistically we would be speculating.

     

     

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    7:18 pm      Friday; September 26, 2014

     

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  • by Matt Clifton,

    Matt Clifton Matt Clifton Sep 26, 2014 12:17 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Sep 26, 2014 12:17 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    Reading around the issue, it looks like Google is enforcing OAuth 2.0 token exchange on its own apps and protocols, which is something that Messages and other third-party apps (e.g. Thunderbird) don't yet support.

     

    So yes, turning on access for "less secure apps" gets around it, and that does still use SSL to communicate with Google and so remains as secure as anything has been up to now; OAuth 2 would get around the requirement to send user name and password each time you check for mail (which could theoretically be intercepted by an SSL breach).

     

    Matt

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Sep 26, 2014 12:53 PM in response to Matt Clifton
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    Sep 26, 2014 12:53 PM in response to Matt Clifton

    Thanks for that Matt.

     

    I did go looking but the Google site about Less Secure apps did not make it clear what they were using.

     

     

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    8:53 pm      Friday; September 26, 2014

     

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  • by jschwietert,

    jschwietert jschwietert Dec 2, 2014 10:56 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Dec 2, 2014 10:56 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    I just dealt with a similar issue in my Messages app in Yosemite. After going to the site to try enabling "Less Secure Apps" the site pointed out that i've been using 2-factor authentication and I realized that i simply needed to setup an App Specific Password for Messages to use - it worked instantly. Hope this helps someone out there!

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Dec 2, 2014 1:28 PM in response to jschwietert
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    Dec 2, 2014 1:28 PM in response to jschwietert

    Hi,

     

    That would seem to be new info as checking people had Application Specific passwords had been checked in several threads before and people said that had set these.

     

    Possibly they had only set the @ Set Verification and not proceeded for ALL apps they were using.

     

     

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    9:28 PM      Tuesday; December 2, 2014

     

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  • by eyerah28,

    eyerah28 eyerah28 Dec 6, 2014 10:58 AM in response to MacUser-70
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    Dec 6, 2014 10:58 AM in response to MacUser-70

    I am having the same problem.  When I go to the login window I get that same error message but then it seems like I have logged in successfully (see attached).  I have the less secure app selection dialed in now, and I am not using two-step verification. 

     

    The problem that I am having now is that every message I try to send comes back as a "not delivered"

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Dec 6, 2014 12:40 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Dec 6, 2014 12:40 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    I can't see the "latest post" so I am posting this to "reveal it"

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Dec 6, 2014 12:46 PM in response to eyerah28
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    Dec 6, 2014 12:46 PM in response to eyerah28

    Hi,

     

    I did it like this.

    Want to the Webmail login page and logged in to see my Mail there.

    Top right is your account name and it is a drop down.

    Select Account in that drop down

    Select Security (tab) in the next page.

     

     

     

     

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    8:45 PM      Saturday; December 6, 2014

     

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  • by Neal_Cassady,

    Neal_Cassady Neal_Cassady Apr 21, 2015 12:29 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Apr 21, 2015 12:29 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    Same problems here – running Yosemite.

     

    Was never an issue before, but since running that Google Security check (that gave you extra space), I'm hitting problems.

    To be fair – not sure if that's where the problem lies, but it's the only thing I can think of that changed in between now, and the end of February, when it was still working...

     

    Over at Preferences/Internet Accounts – all 4 Google accounts are listed. 3 of the 4 work – the 4th, despite using the correct password, I am told "Google Authentication failed"...

     

    Over in iMessages, all 4 accounts are switched off. Turning them only, calls up the password field – entering the passwords, and I get the "incorrect username/password message".

     

    Back over in Gmail – ALL 4 account settings have the "use less secure apps activated" – so this shouldn't be the issue?...

    Any suggestions?

     

    Remove the 4 GMAIL accounts, and reactivate them maybe?

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Apr 21, 2015 1:14 PM in response to Neal_Cassady
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    Apr 21, 2015 1:14 PM in response to Neal_Cassady

    hi,

     

    In Keychain Access you can look at the Keychain  (It is in Applications/Utilities)

    In the Keychain in Passwords (lower left choices box) the info on the right should then be the save passwords.

    It also include authorisation tokens from Google.

    Try deleting the one for the account that will not login.

     

     

     

     

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    9:14 pm      Tuesday; April 21, 2015

     

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  • by Neal_Cassady,

    Neal_Cassady Neal_Cassady Apr 21, 2015 1:26 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Apr 21, 2015 1:26 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    Appreciate the prompt reply, Ralph!

     

    I have it sorted now – removed all the Gmail accounts, and then re-loaded them. That appears to have done the trick.

    Not sure where the problem was, but it's pulling all through into Mail.app now, and they're all working (authentication kicked through).

     

    Regarding Messages – the idiot in this scenario, is currently typing this post.

    I had to create a new iCloud account a few months back – was suffering from terrible data consumption, with Documents & Sync burning through 4G, with the phone simply sitting on the desk (and every conceivable Wifi Only toggle triggered)... Something was corrupted somewhere, and iCloud on my phone, kept trying to call home to the mothership.

     

    Upon the new iCloud account being created – I correctly signed in to the new account in Messages on the iPad, Mac mini and MBP – but somehow missed the most obvious one, the iPhone. Digging deeper this evening, and I only noticed now that the iPhone's Messages settings were still linked to the original iCloud account.

    I signed in to the new one, lost a few weeks worth of messages, but all is now syncing as it used to!

     

    Blushes aside, just glad I've got it working again. Many thanks regardless. 

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Apr 21, 2015 1:28 PM in response to Neal_Cassady
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    Apr 21, 2015 1:28 PM in response to Neal_Cassady

    Hi,


    Good to hear.

     

    Thanks for lettings us know.

     

     

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    9:28 pm      Tuesday; April 21, 2015

     

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     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
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