Q: ios - 8 where are the 'camera roll' and 'photostream' albums?

The problem here remains the loss of distinction between images made ON the device and images MOVED TO the device via iCloud. This causes the user to lose control over the location and origin of the source files making local file management (for space purposes) impossible and cloud management (for copyright purposes and privacy amongst other reasons) also impossible. Apple has remover the user's ability to positively manage the source files in favor of this mixed up mess where images are auto uploaded/download and exist both in the cloud AND on every device. For a pro photographer like me who deals with tens of thousands of images, many of them copywriten, this is an unmitigated disaster. Even if the system had been rolled out intact as Apple had intended it would still be such a messed up way to approach file and cloud management that I'd have to seriously consider abandoning Apple software altogether for the management of my photo library. Clearly this whole approach needs to be re-evaluated and fixed because as it stands right now it is unworkable.

The Photos.app design looks like it wants the usr forget about about file type and storage, and just concentrate on the photos. That is fine, as long as the photo library will provide any necessary metadata relevant for the photo.Only the metadata are missing nearly completelyand the predefined structure is relying completely on capture time and capture location.

That might work for some casual photographers, but it's not a solution for anyone even reasonably serious about it. As you say, without access to the metadata the user has his/her hands tied. And no, it's not a reasonable solution at all when every photo is uploaded to Apple's servers by default and deleting it anywhere deletes it everywhere. As I said above, we need to know where a source file is and have the OPTION of sending it to the cloud or not. The camera roll was a key part of that. Photos in the camera roll were all local files either made on or downloaded to the device. I don't want or need the 4,000+ images I generate per month for work and for pleasure automatically uploading to the cloud and then propagating to every one of my iDevices. In particular I don't need copy written images and client nudes appearing in my photostream, on my Apple TV or on Apple's cloud AT ALL.

See, this is the problem. Apple, in this new format, treats all photos equally. But all photos are NOT equal. THAT is the inherent problem here. The lack of distinction between cloud and local, between device created and downloaded, between deleted locally and deleted universally etc. etc..

This needs to be fixed and the problem is MUCH deeper than the loss of the camera roll.

Well said, my friend. What is also surprising is how little publicity this little "problem" is getting. I asked people at Mashable and other sites that follow Apple to get this word out. Right now - I was able to do this, am sure you cant due to volume - I saved all my pics in a 3rd party app....My "recently added and deleted" are empty on phone and pad...and also in icloud. From this environment I should be able to learn how all this works...although it ridiculous that I have to do it this way. I am close to expert in these matters - I feel for the average guy....jonB

Well said indeed!  Please take these observations to apple feedback and explain things to them!

Yep. At the moment my hands are tied because of the sheer volume of photos I have locked up in my iPhoto library. But if this isn't fixed I'll be forced to take extreme measures and find some new solution. What a pain! And I agree. It's kind of remarkable that it isn't getting more attention. I suspect that tomorrow, when people start migrating to the iPhone 6 that may change...

bardhlepaja wrote:

 

this is a good idea but does this need an extra space to create an album with over 200 photos? i mean if there were 200 photos and they get copied to another album, does these copied photos fill that space, hope i was clear , thanks

No.  It's just create a pointer to the original file like  iTunes with audio tracks in multiple playlists.  A single song track file can be in many playlists but is only one file on the hard drive.  It's the same in iPhoto for Mac and albums.

I can learn to deal with this over time... the one thing I need to learn (and I think there should be) is how can you access all photos stored on your device. Forget about photo stream, collections, albums, all that crap.... where are the freakin photos stored. There has to be a way to view them as a group instead of looking for HEARTS on RECENTLY ADDED.

There has to be a way to view them as a group instead of looking for HEARTS on RECENTLY ADDED.

That  information is simply no longer readily available.

the one thing I need to learn (and I think there should be) is how can you access all photos stored on your device.

For me  the greatest problem with this new version is that I cannot even tell the pixel size of the photos, the camera, or the file type. When I am seeing two versions of the sam photo side by side and want to delete one of them, I cannot find out, which is the low resolution jPEG and which is the high resolution RAW file. And there is no way to annotate photos with captions or keywords.

Another weird thing I just noticed.... I have randomly taken about 10 pictures today... just to try to figure this new thing out. In addition to not being able to figure out where my pics are stored... I now notice another oddity in the RECENTLY ADDED.

Some pics I have taken appear at the front of the RECENTLY ADDED folder while some appear at the END. Why aren't they even in chronological order?

I too am absolutely flummoxed over the missing Camera Roll. The new whatever it is just does not seem intuitive to me.  Case in Point:  Lets say I am surfing the web and copy a photo to my ios device. If that photo has any date metadata, it will show up in my albums (whatever one has them all by date) as the date in the metadata and not/not on the date I added it. Sure, it will show up in Recently Added, but it will also drop from recently added in 30 days. Same is true if someone e-mails or texts you a photo. Moreover, with Camera Roll you could see your photos in the order they were taken or added (actually, in order by file name) which I found so very, very easy to use. I just don't get why Apple thinks this new system is better. For some people, maybe it is. But for many of us, it is not!

Apple -- Please, oh please bring back the good old Camera Roll. Sometimes simple IS better.

Oh, now here's a tricky bit.  Today I accidentally took a couple of photos - my hand hit the iPhone screen while it was pointed at the ground, and I got some nice shots of the pavement.  I immediately deleted them, as total junk.  At the time I was on a bike, nowhere near WiFi and therefore not connected to Photostream.  But guess what got uploaded to Photostream several hours later when I connected to wifi?  Yes - the very two photos that I had immediately deleted from the phone.  I guess because they're merely "recently deleted", Apple figures to sync them up for me anyhow.

This is going to come as a nasty shock to people - who hasn't taken a photo that they immediately thought better of and got rid of?  Well - if you use your iPhone running iOS 8 to do it, you are going to have to delete your mistake more than once to make it go away for good!

The more I read about this dogs breakfast which is what photos has become, the more convinced I am that its time to shift my photo management to an alternative  application.  I do NOT want every photo I take to be shared to the cloud and every device I own.  I dont have that much space and I have no intention of buying more icloud space.  Its just insane.  Apple has really got it wrong this time.  They have fixed something that is simply not broken.  REally annoyed.  I liked photostream as it was.  I do not like the current options and will not be upgrading to iOS8 until I get my photographs into Lightroom or similar.