E-2043

Q: iOS 8 Wi-Fi problems

WI-Fi problems on iPad Air, iPad mini with Retina display and iPhone 5S after upgrading to iOS 8.

Typical results from OOKLA Speedtest before upgrade: Ping 17 ms, Upload 21 Mbps, Download 4.4 Mbps

Typical results after upgrade: Ping 39 ms, Download 2.9 Mbps, Upload 0.47 Mbps

iPad 2 with iOS 7.1.2 get 15 Mbps download and 4.4 upload on the same network.

Resetting network settings on the iOS 8 devices did not improve the performance.

Changing band on the router from 2.4 GHz to 5 GHz did give me back the speed on all devices.

However the speed occasonally drops on the iOS 8 devices, and the signal strengt can go from full til lost connection without moving the devices.

Also sometimes the Wi-Fi SweetSpots app report 0 mbps when the signal strenght is indicated as full and then suddenly go up to around 58 Mbps again.

It is almost like the device is trying to use cellular network that I do not have on the iPads before it suddenly switches back to Wi-fi nettwork again.

I am thinking about going back to my iPad 2 with iOS 7.1.2 that is working perfectly until the Wi-Fi issues are resolved.

 

Any help will be very much appreciated!

iPad Air Wi-Fi, iOS 8

Posted on Sep 20, 2014 9:17 AM

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  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 14, 2015 9:13 AM in response to old_chap
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    Aug 14, 2015 9:13 AM in response to old_chap

    I updated yesterday, no change, still works perfectly.

  • by Philly_Phan,

    Philly_Phan Philly_Phan Aug 14, 2015 9:28 AM in response to fuhaku
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    Aug 14, 2015 9:28 AM in response to fuhaku

    Of course not.  It's not an IOS problem.

  • by Insiderinformation,

    Insiderinformation Insiderinformation Aug 14, 2015 10:00 AM in response to Philly_Phan
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:00 AM in response to Philly_Phan

    So if it's not an IOS problem, what is it?

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 14, 2015 10:09 AM in response to Insiderinformation
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:09 AM in response to Insiderinformation

    One of many individual issues, if it was endemic to IOS then I would have it, and I don't.

  • by elcpu,

    elcpu elcpu Aug 14, 2015 3:16 PM in response to Insiderinformation
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    Aug 14, 2015 3:16 PM in response to Insiderinformation

    InsiderInformation wrote:

    So if it's not an IOS problem, what is it?

     

    Please note my post on page 206. As I mentioned, Apple used a networking routine called mDNSResponder in previous versions of iOS and OS X. With the advent of iOS 8 and Yosemite, Apple switched to a new routine called DiscoveryD which has been associated with some of the Wi-FI issues reported here. DiscoveryD was not used in iOS 7 nor in Mavericks. On June 30 Apple released an update to OS X, 10.10.4, and replaced DiscoveryD with the former mDNSResponder for "improved networking reliability” as listed in their release notes. I updated my MacBookPro to 10.10.4 at the time and I am pleased to report that I have had no Wi-Fi issues whatsoever. iOS 8.4.1 still uses DiscoveryD. According to Apple, iOS 9 will be released in the fall and hopefully will include Wi-Fi improvements as well.

  • by old_chap,

    old_chap old_chap Aug 17, 2015 12:42 AM in response to elcpu
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    Aug 17, 2015 12:42 AM in response to elcpu

    Updated last week, hasn't given any improvement

     

    For me 8.3 did resolve some of the problems but 8.4 (and 8.4.1) have gone back to drop-outs. Also will not connect automatically to any router - get home & no wi-fi shown, go to wi-fi settings, can see router with full signal but have to select before it connects. This happens at any location, so with a variety of different routers.

     

     

    Guess I'll just have to wait for September & hope IOS9 sorts it out

  • by pim1986,

    pim1986 pim1986 Aug 17, 2015 6:04 AM in response to E-2043
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    Aug 17, 2015 6:04 AM in response to E-2043

    Pff the wifi signal gets worse and worse(8.4.1 now). Every other device I have has great speed throughout my house but even right next to one of the routers the speed drops to zero in about 30 seconds even though the iPhone (6) still displays full signal. My girlfriends iPhone 6 has the exact same problem. Our old iPad 3 which is still on iOS 7 works much much faster.

  • by wobbly_bob,

    wobbly_bob wobbly_bob Aug 17, 2015 6:46 AM in response to pim1986
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    Aug 17, 2015 6:46 AM in response to pim1986

    Something you could try, a tip was posted some weeks ago to use an App "CloudCheck". This lets you see if there are any dead spots that could cause problems

  • by elcpu,

    elcpu elcpu Aug 17, 2015 7:15 AM in response to pim1986
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    Aug 17, 2015 7:15 AM in response to pim1986

    Hi Pim, welcome to this thread. And also hello to old_chap and wobbly_bob. As you may be aware I have been keeping up with this issue since November 2014. Please take a look at my post on this other thread (about half way down the page), the latest summary I can offer. My iPhone 6 suddenly cannot connect to all type of wireless networks, I mean sometimes it does not see the available wireless network nearby but my other smartphone can!

     

    Yesterday I read about a user who had solved his problem by buying a new Airport Extreme. His previous Airport was very old and he was ready for a new one. No way to know if his improvements have continued or not. While we could do the same, that is hardly a solution for all who have up-to-date Wi-Fi certified routers with the latest firmwares and working well on all but iOS devices. As Apple has mentioned, iOS 9 will be out in the fall. Here is the official Apple preview.  https://www.apple.com/ios/ios9-preview/


    It looks very nice - let's hope it includes networking improvements as well. Hang in there folks....  Cheers  

  • by baldy1983,

    baldy1983 baldy1983 Aug 17, 2015 8:25 AM in response to Philly_Phan
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    Aug 17, 2015 8:25 AM in response to Philly_Phan

    I am aware that you and the other expert have never experienced any problems and I'm glad you haven't

     

    But just for a moment consider this; a number of people have ongoing difficulties. Of these they have various different devices (iphone 5, 5S, 5C, 4S, different ipads), they are using numerous different routers. In fact the only constant factor is IOS8

     

    So does this not suggest the problem could be caused by software?

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 17, 2015 8:29 AM in response to baldy1983
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    Aug 17, 2015 8:29 AM in response to baldy1983
    In fact the only constant factor is IOS8

    In fact this also has been reported on IOS7,IOS6 and IOS5 (in this forum, look around for others), as well as Samsung and HTC devices, courtesy of Google.

     

    Facts are absolute, your statement is not a fact, it is an opinion.

  • by baldy1983,

    baldy1983 baldy1983 Aug 17, 2015 8:38 AM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 17, 2015 8:38 AM in response to Csound1

    So it is not fact that people with different devices have problems? It is no fact that people with different routers have problems? It is not fact that all those who have reported problems are using IOS8?

     

     

    Whether or not there were problems on IOS5, 6, 7 and Android is not the subject being discussed - IOS8 is

     

    (and is it not fact you are replying to a comment addressed to someone else, something you have objected to others doing?)

     

    Perhaps you should again use your status to report my comments and get them removed

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 17, 2015 8:43 AM in response to baldy1983
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    Aug 17, 2015 8:43 AM in response to baldy1983

    baldy1983 wrote:

     

    So it is not fact that people with different devices have problems?

    Yes it is. On devices running IOS8, IOS7. IOS6, IOS5, OS X (various flavors) Samsung, Sony, HTC , and the list could go on, Look again.

     

    It is your opinion that it is limited to IOS8, and that is because you want it that way.

  • by DubstepIpad,

    DubstepIpad DubstepIpad Aug 17, 2015 8:55 AM in response to E-2043
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    Aug 17, 2015 8:55 AM in response to E-2043

    LOl guys, didnt u learn from last update? Dont update ur device. I left mine and come to check the reaction here and thank **** i listened to myself. Do not update and its 8.4.1 not 8! Do not update device ever if it works fine for u, my music audio etc is still a bit crap from last update but screw risking my ipad again.

     

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  • by elcpu,

    elcpu elcpu Aug 17, 2015 9:08 AM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 17, 2015 9:08 AM in response to Csound1

    In fact this also has been reported on IOS7, iOS6 and iOS5 (in this forum, look around for others), as well as Samsung and HTC devices

     

    There will always be people posting about Wi-Fi issues.... On any iOS, any Androids, any Macs or any PCs....  However, while your statement above is indeed correct, it is worth noting that this thread on iOS 8 Wi-Fi contains 3,150+ replies whereas the thread you mentioned earlier regarding iOS 7 Wi-Fi contains 255 replies. - a good indicator of the difficulties some are having with iOS 8 vs. 7.

     

    I am delighted that you are not having issues, the vast majority are not, but those that are have significant problems indeed. Apple is well aware of this. They have contacted many here who are having issues, myself included on two occasions over 2 hours long. Apple has collected logs, router/ISP configurations, and other data of relevance. As I have also mentioned, the problem existed on Yosemite as well prior to 10.4.4. With the return of mDNSResponder in 10.4.4 most of those issues were resolved. And yes again, there will always be some complaining about 10.4.4 as well... nature of the beast!!!

     

    Toodle pip...  

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