iOS 8 Calendar on iPhone showing GMT times for new events.

Hi everyone,


Since updating my iPhone 4S to iOS 8, the Calendar app now shows all my newly added events with GMT times, and not the local time (as I am not in GMT, I am +9 hours). All my previous and existing entries are displaying normally. I have not changed any settings at all. However, if I open one of the new events and enter the events details screen, the local times are clearly displayed along with a GMT equivalent time underneath it.


I have tried changing settings but nothing shows my events in local time as it did before the upgrade to iOS 8. Any ideas? Is this a bug? Am I missing a new setting? Many thanks in advance for your help or advice.


Cheers,

James.

iPhone 4S, iOS 8

Posted on Sep 21, 2014 2:16 AM

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Posted on Sep 24, 2014 8:42 AM

Add some notes to this, I have managed to correct the issue by going to Settings, 'Mail, Contacts, Calendars' and changing the Time Zone Override to London which makes me think the phone thinks the iCal GMail calendar is set to the incorrect time zone (i.e. showing it in your time zone) however having checked the settings my personal calendar is fine. This should work fine until I travel abroad when i have to manually change the time zone override.


This is work in progress, I have gone into my Google calendar and checked the time settings and although set to GMT+00:00 London, I have ticked the display all zones box and changed it to GMT+00:00 GMT (No Daylight Saving) and turned off the above override on the phone and again this has resolved the problem. What I am unsure of is if this will work ok once the clocks change next month! I'll put a note in my calendar to test it.... hmm 😮

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Jan 29, 2015 12:34 PM in response to bdomer

It is suggested – if at all possible to shareℹ the following:


iOS version

iOS Device

Calendar platform you're using.

@SassiRae ✅ thank you and noted!

@bdomer ✅ noted! However; it would be of great interest to Apple and commenters to discern the obvious and irrelevant trial and error. But seems to have worked out for some and not others.


Again, I'm using:


iOS 8.1.3

iPhone 6 Plus

Google Calendar (CalDav)


I've tried all options that were mention in this thread and the issue persist/remains unresolved.


Alternative; use Sunrise App or Google Calendar via mobile web.

Jan 30, 2015 5:51 AM in response to Backgammoner

"You must agree that the system does not produce incorrect results."


No. I don't have to agree to that, and I am/was a programmer.


The system must produce results that are acceptable to the user. Period. I don't give one crap for what the programmer intended, and i don't care if it is a programming bug or a design flaw. I am the consumer. What I care about is that the software gives me useful and expected results. If it doesn't, or if it changes the way something worked before so that I have to work to read the results, it's a bug.


That's really all there is to it. If Apple wants to sell products to consumers, the product has to generate useful results, or the consumers will rebel.


Mincing words, as you have here, doesn't solve a problem, nor does it relieve Apple of it's responsibilities.

Jan 30, 2015 6:06 AM in response to Sid Plait 1

In response to Sid Plait 1. Obviously I did not express myself well enough in my post. The intensity and emotion of some of the responses I received really surprised me, some were completely out of line, offensive, aggressive, and personal. My comment is purely technical.


First, let me just set the record straight, I am a programmer/architect myself and have done so for many years. So at lease you and I have the same vocabulary.


At no point did I say that Apple did the right thing and that they should not fix the issue, a major issue. However, their system is behaving correctly, as annoying and unintuitive that behavior may be. I believe, but can't prove it, that if one would take a case to the court and claim they lost money since they missed an appointment because their calendar was incorrect, that case would have been lost and the ruling would be in Apple's favor. Presenting the time in GMT even when entered in another time zone is literally correct, even if not intuitive. Moreover, the event is placed in the correct spot in the graphical repsresentation.


With that said let me emphasize that Apple has demonstrated lack of care for their customers by not fixing this issue for such a long time and by not communicating their intent and a time line by when they will be doing so. However, I still stand by my word that per-se this is not a bug.

Jan 30, 2015 6:28 AM in response to Backgammoner

I DON'T think the court would agree. A bad design, and coding to that design, doesn't relieve Apple of responsibility, it just relieves the programmer of responsibility.


I knew you were talking about the technical aspects of all this, but I don't think - no, I KNOW, that no one outside of the technical realm would care one whit about who's fault it was or what the technical definition of a bug is. However, even technically, there is a bug in the software. Whether it is a design bug or a coding bug is only relevant to the the company (Apple) as to who is responsible for the error.

Jan 30, 2015 6:51 AM in response to Sid Plait 1

OK. Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.


My position may sound confusing and it is ok. I agree that Apple has to listen to its customers, and did not demonstrate care to their customers so far.


At the same time, if Apple would be taken to court and asked me to defend their position I would do so and be on their side.


Humm.....


and I beg all of the responders who used language such as "...this is mental mustr...ion...", or "...you are mincing words..." or some other similarly offensive language to be a little more tolerant and respectful of other's opinion even if they dislike it.

Jan 30, 2015 9:37 AM in response to Backgammoner

@Backgammoner: Sorry if I offended you (or anyone else). That was certainly not my intent.


I am a Land Use Consultant and I work regularly with many design, technical, and legal professionals. Many of us use that particular term in our casual conversations as a sort of slang description for the behavior I was describing. Its a pretty widely used term, and if you search for it, you will find many definitions for it that are all consistent.


Here's one definition:


"Intellectual activity that serves no practical purpose."


I used that term because I think it precisely describes your posts in which you have gone to extensive lengths to make esoteric arguments about why something that is clearly a bug is somehow not a bug. And you have done this despite the fact that it doesn't make any difference to the thousands of people who are adversely affected by it. Also, I still disagree with even your highly technical arguments about this.


I think part of what you are seeing is that there are huge numbers of people for whom Apple's completely thoughtless design and careless implementation in iOS 8 Calendar has been extremely disruptive and irritating. I am one of those people. When a guy shows up and then tells all of us that really, we are all mistaken and that this issue is really "technically correct" and that there isn't anything wrong with what the Calendar is doing..we just don't understand it, the natural response is that people get ***** off.


I deal with people, and have to try to predict their reactions to arguments I make, for a living and therefore I am totally unsurprised that this has been people's reaction to your posts. Sometimes people say stuff when they are ***** off that might sound insulting. That's unfortunate, but it is predictable. I'm not claiming that this makes it OK, just giving you an explanation for it. I am sure it feels like a personal attack but in most cases it really isn't, it's more general frustration towards Apple, but its coming out in response to your posts.


Apple's handling of this has been totally sub-par. It demonstrates a complete lack of leadership and accountability. It demonstrates that Apple has total disregard for its customers: it is far more important to Apple to try and maintain an appearance of being infallible than it is to simply acknowledge an obvious mistake they made and provide a timeline for a solution. No one would knock Apple for acknowledging and fixing a mistake. In fact I tend to have MORE confidence in companies that admit errors and then move to address them quickly, not less. I feel like we are dealing with a stubborn teenager who knows he has done something totally stupid but instead of just saying "I screwed up, I'll make it right" keeps ignoring the issue or trying to argue that he didn't screw up at all. This is a joke, and it's insulting to me and a lot of other Apple customers.


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Jan 31, 2015 8:09 AM in response to JG in SB

I have to agree. Look at what Marriott did today. Their CEO finally stated that wifi blocking was viewed as anti customer, greedy, and that Marriott "failed" but at least wanted to do it fast. They have pulled the wifi blocking request from FCC application and admitted that they were wrong.


They (Marriott) are 100% customer/consumer based firm and realized their policy had backfired. The iOS GMT issue is appalling and Apple should do the same, "we are sorry that we have not adequately addressed this bug and will do so in the next iOS release" : simple, truthful, and customer focused.


Not so hard.

Feb 1, 2015 9:31 AM in response to James Barber

Come on Apple... This is just insulting. If you wanted to join the ranks of Comcast in customer service, keep doing this stuff.

Just fix it already. You have some of the best programmers in the world and a bunch of ****** off customers. Seems like a pretty simple solution.

I'm thrilled you added a "new configuration options for education standardized testing." That's really great that the standardized testing, which is a load of crap in the first place, was a priority as opposed to getting one of the basic functions of your calendar app to work properly.

Feb 1, 2015 3:08 PM in response to klane310

About Apple staff claiming this is a "Google problem" etc., I think it's mixed at this point. I agree it's a pathetic joke that Apple has failed to communicate anything about this issue to their front-line tech support staff. On the other hand, the misinformation they gave you used to be a 100% of the time thing. Now it is only part of the time. I was at the Apple store earlier this week and many of their staff were well aware of this issue AND that it is an APPLE ISSUE. I'm not even talking about the Geniuses..I am talking about sales staff on the retail floor.


If there's one thing this whole episode confirms, it is that Apple has absolutely terrible to non-existent internal communications. And we, their customers, suffer for it.

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