Vernz

Q: Apple Pay for Iphones 4-5

Can someone please explain how this will work and does with work with Iphones 4-5.

I read this : https://www.apple.com/apple-pay/  but i can not found the information and the compatibility for Iphones that are not the lastest releases?

Posted on Sep 21, 2014 10:05 PM

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  • by Vernz,

    Vernz Vernz Sep 26, 2014 8:17 AM in response to Phil0124
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    Sep 26, 2014 8:17 AM in response to Phil0124

    Phil0124 wrote:

     

    Vernz wrote:

     

    How is this a useless discussion, you seem not to be understanding at all. NFC chip or no NFC chip, the payment should work for all devices. Do you understand?????

    rbrylawski wrote:

     

    LOL......Sorry Vernz.  This is a useless discussion.

    Just how do you propose then that a Phone without an NFC chip connect with an NFC receiver?

     

    These receivers in the stores are not made by Apple. They are not set in the stores by Apple. This is a technology the Banks and stores decided could be used for secure wireless payments.   You need the NFC chip to be able to use the wireless payment system because the Banks and stores decided this would be the way it would work and have the necessary security.

     

    Apple needs to conform to those specification if they want to use the wireless payment system that is already in place.

     

    Without an NFC chip there is no way to communicate with the NFC terminal to process the payment.

     

    Its like trying to send an email from a piece of paper. The Piece of of paper does not have he ability to send itself magically.

     

    I know this is probably futile, but I thought I'd give it a shot any way.

    "This is a technology the Banks and stores decided could be used for secure wireless payments." Thats your problem you guys seem to not be understanding

  • by Vernz,

    Vernz Vernz Sep 26, 2014 8:29 AM in response to rbrylawski
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    Sep 26, 2014 8:29 AM in response to rbrylawski

    rbrylawski wrote:

     

    Phil0124 wrote:

     

    Vernz wrote:

     

    How is this a useless discussion, you seem not to be understanding at all. NFC chip or no NFC chip, the payment should work for all devices. Do you understand?????

    rbrylawski wrote:

     

    LOL......Sorry Vernz.  This is a useless discussion.

    Just how do you propose then that a Phone without an NFC chip connect with an NFC receiver?

     

    These receivers in the stores are not made by Apple. They are not set in the stores by Apple. This is a technology the Banks and stores decided could be used for secure wireless payments.   You need the NFC chip to be able to use the wireless payment system because the Banks and stores decided this would be the way it would work and have the necessary security.

     

    Apple needs to conform to those specification if they want to use the wireless payment system that is already in place.

     

    Without an NFC chip there is no way to communicate with the NFC terminal to process the payment.

     

    Its like trying to send an email from a piece of paper. The Piece of of paper does not have he ability to send itself magically.

     

    I know this is probably futile, but I thought I'd give it a shot any way.

    Nicely stated.  But you went and got all logical to a person to whom logic is wasted........

    Yes i do understand this. You people want to think i am clueless uneducated, not tech savvy. I wish i could smack the lot of you's in the faces and make you understand the ideology behind my idea and the way apple should intergrade for all models of phones.

     

    Half of you people are trying to mock me in thinking i don't know nothing. Put you money where your mouth is. The you guys just keep coming up with the assumption i have no idea and try to shut me down.

     

    Go then don't write on here, don't mock me, don't be smart arse and make fun of me really? Immaturity? Helpful far from it,

     

    So listen carefully there are ways around this **** the nfc chips. APPLES NEED TO LEARN HOW TO ADOPTED FOR ALL THE CUSTOMERS NEEDS. NFC CHIP OR NO NFC CHIPS. APPLE IS LAGGING AND COPY IDEAS IF ANDROID.

     

    I am no where near going to tell you what i think because look at half your you your reactions. I hope some of you people choke on something, quick smart and can't breath.

  • by IdrisSeabright,

    IdrisSeabright IdrisSeabright Sep 26, 2014 8:30 AM in response to Vernz
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    Sep 26, 2014 8:30 AM in response to Vernz

    Vernz wrote:

     

    "This is a technology the Banks and stores decided could be used for secure wireless payments." Thats your problem you guys seem to not be understanding

    You have yet to tell us what "this" technology is that can do secure wireless payments without any different hardware or how you plan on getting retailers and financial institutions to accept it. That's the problem you seem to not be understanding.

  • by IdrisSeabright,

    IdrisSeabright IdrisSeabright Sep 26, 2014 8:33 AM in response to Vernz
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    Sep 26, 2014 8:33 AM in response to Vernz

    Vernz wrote

     

    So listen carefully there are ways around this **** the nfc chips. APPLES NEED TO LEARN HOW TO ADOPTED FOR ALL THE CUSTOMERS NEEDS. NFC CHIP OR NO NFC CHIPS. APPLE IS LAGGING AND COPY IDEAS IF ANDROID.

     

    Most Android phones need not just the built in NFC but also a special NFC SIM. Apple has done them one better. What Android phones do you know of that can do contactless pay without an NFC chip? And, no, Apple doesn't have to learn hot to "adopted for all the customers". No manufacturer or retailer in their right minds does that.

  • by Vernz,

    Vernz Vernz Sep 26, 2014 8:55 AM in response to IdrisSeabright
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    Sep 26, 2014 8:55 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

    Meg St._Clair wrote:

     

    Vernz wrote:

     

    "This is a technology the Banks and stores decided could be used for secure wireless payments." Thats your problem you guys seem to not be understanding

    You have yet to tell us what "this" technology is that can do secure wireless payments without any different hardware or how you plan on getting retailers and financial institutions to accept it. That's the problem you seem to not be understanding.

    Believe me i understand, more than i say. I watched the reaction i got from here and let me assure you i put be giving apple the idea. Don't be so quick to judge because you really don't know who the other person is about, what they know and what is happening with the person.

     

    The problem is these's days  everyone  thinks they are Steve Job's. Please SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

    What you think you know, you really don't know. Hate to break the news to you. But you really just don't know. But you think you know. Goodluck to you thick headed people on here. That can't comprehended ways around a NFC Chip.

     

    In the beginning i was willing to share and ask for further advances and steps to get this up running but after some of your attitudes, the comment above statement is how i feel about the lot of you.

     

     

    Forum Members with higher levels seems to be TROLLS, USELESS. Its ok be proud of yourselves you guys have accomplished being a hero member's in Apple community forums. Well done on achieving your goals in life. I am glad your dreams have come true and got to where you wanted haha. Do you feel good about yourself? Please maybe your guys should not assume so quickly on a new comer. I don't need higher levels nor points for my valve, ideas and opinions to heard.

    Go stick your points and levels where the sun don't shine. I am who i am, remember that.

  • by IdrisSeabright,

    IdrisSeabright IdrisSeabright Sep 26, 2014 8:56 AM in response to Vernz
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    Sep 26, 2014 8:56 AM in response to Vernz

    Vernz wrote:


    Believe me i understand, more than i say. I watched the reaction i got from here and let me assure you i put be giving apple the this idea. Don't be so quick to judge because you really don't know who the other person is about, what they know and what is happening with a person.

     

    Put your money where you mouth is, sweetie,  preferably without the ad hominem attacks. You've demonstrated nothing but misapprehension and stubbornness. I imagine that's how most people here will remember you when you've gone. Prove me wrong.

  • by rbrylawski,

    rbrylawski rbrylawski Sep 26, 2014 10:04 AM in response to IdrisSeabright
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    Sep 26, 2014 10:04 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

    Meg St._Clair wrote:

     

    Vernz wrote:


    Believe me i understand, more than i say. I watched the reaction i got from here and let me assure you i put be giving apple the this idea. Don't be so quick to judge because you really don't know who the other person is about, what they know and what is happening with a person.

     

    Put your money where you mouth is, sweetie,  preferably without the ad hominem attacks. You've demonstrated nothing but misapprehension and stubbornness. I imagine that's how most people here will remember you when you've gone. Prove me wrong.

    Why are you wasting your time and energy on a hopelessly clueless and befuddled individual?  He doesn't get it.  He'll never get it.  It really is time to just ignore him and let this sad thread die from lack of interest.

  • by IdrisSeabright,

    IdrisSeabright IdrisSeabright Sep 26, 2014 10:07 AM in response to rbrylawski
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    Sep 26, 2014 10:07 AM in response to rbrylawski

    Sometimes I just can't help myself.

  • by rbrylawski,

    rbrylawski rbrylawski Sep 26, 2014 10:13 AM in response to IdrisSeabright
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    Sep 26, 2014 10:13 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

    I decided to stop sparring on this last night.  What is that saying?  "You can't fix stupid!"

  • by IdrisSeabright,

    IdrisSeabright IdrisSeabright Sep 26, 2014 10:20 AM in response to rbrylawski
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    Sep 26, 2014 10:20 AM in response to rbrylawski

    rbrylawski wrote:

     

    I decided to stop sparring on this last night.  What is that saying?  "You can't fix stupid!"

    Well, there was a bit of curioustiy on my part. And, I'm engaged in some very serious procrastination at work.

  • by rbrylawski,

    rbrylawski rbrylawski Sep 26, 2014 10:24 AM in response to IdrisSeabright
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    Sep 26, 2014 10:24 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

    Well OK, then!  LOL  I too am not particularly interested in working much this afternoon.

     

    Carry on!

  • by deggie,

    deggie deggie Sep 26, 2014 7:07 PM in response to rbrylawski
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    Sep 26, 2014 7:07 PM in response to rbrylawski

    Saw it best on a T-Shirt a couple of weeks ago: "I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you."

     

    And just to make it more complex for Vernz, it isn't just the NFC chip that is missing from previous devices for Apple Pay to work, you also have to have what Apple is calling the Secure Chip, which the iPhone 6, 6 Plus and Apple Watch have. The others don't.

  • by Ocean20,

    Ocean20 Ocean20 Sep 26, 2014 7:23 PM in response to Vernz
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    Sep 26, 2014 7:23 PM in response to Vernz

    Yawn

  • by IdrisSeabright,

    IdrisSeabright IdrisSeabright Sep 26, 2014 8:14 PM in response to deggie
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    Sep 26, 2014 8:14 PM in response to deggie

    deggie wrote:

     

    Saw it best on a T-Shirt a couple of weeks ago: "I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you."

     

    I want that!!!!!!

  • by Vernz,

    Vernz Vernz Sep 26, 2014 8:15 PM in response to IdrisSeabright
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    Sep 26, 2014 8:15 PM in response to IdrisSeabright

    Meg St._Clair wrote:

     

    Vernz wrote:


    Believe me i understand, more than i say. I watched the reaction i got from here and let me assure you i put be giving apple the this idea. Don't be so quick to judge because you really don't know who the other person is about, what they know and what is happening with a person.

     

    Put your money where you mouth is, sweetie,  preferably without the ad hominem attacks. You've demonstrated nothing but misapprehension and stubbornness. I imagine that's how most people here will remember you when you've gone. Prove me wrong.

    Sweetie?

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