Q: IPAD2 very slow after IOS 8 upgrade

naf456 wrote:

 

To say that it's expected that any type software update should slow down a device is wrong. In fact, the opposite should be true : updates should make a device run faster. However It's common that it doesn't.

 

I didn't recall saying that recently, but I have said it several times before. In the past 25 or so years, I've never seen my computer systems and the more recent iOS systems where a major numbered upgrade did not slow down an existing piece of hardware. It's actually very explainable and inevitable. Once you get a particular piece of hardware, it - of course - doesn't ever change its power or capabilities. But, software always changes its power demands, memory demands and number of features. It always advances, while you're hardware is locked in to its current "version" as of the day you bought it.

And that's inevitable with the software to have increased power and memory demands, because of "competition". And that competition is driven ... also ... by the increased power and capabilities of "new hardware". You can "do more" now that you have more power in the newer machines. The reason why some of these capabilities in the software never made it in there, when your original hardware came out, is that it was "too much" for that initial hardware to handle nicely.

SO ... your hardware keeps "degrading" and degrading (not that it's any different from when you bought it) ... all due to the increase power demands from the software, and that being driven by the increased capabilities of the hardware (which is far beyond your original machines).

Therefore instead of it being "wrong" that it should slow down a device, it's ENTIRELY RIGHT that it should slow down a device.

 

Apple as a highly respected consumer electronic company should recognise good performance as a primal trait for their software.

The iPad 2 is considered a low powered device relative to the market today. Apple should, therefore propose the iPad 2 as obsolete or decide to support iOS8 to a usable standard. They did neither of these things. Instead they recommended the new update to us customers. Having good faith, I and many of the recipients updated to the new software, empowered by the expectation of a newer, faster, more stable system. What I and many of us got was a system that was clearly struggling to cope with demand - a system that was considered no longer fit for purpose.

 

 

Apple does recognize that good performane is a primal trait for their software. You'll find that their match of software to the hardware they are currently selling does have that performance. The thing that Apple or any other company does not do, is go back "retroactively" into the past and somehow revamp your hardware to meet up to today's standards for hardware. In fact, if they did that, the cost of going back and refitting your old hardware to today's standard would be prohibitive to do. It would cost more than the cost of the new device!

The iPad 2 was at the top of the heap when it came out. The fact that it is not at the top of the heap now is simply a statement to the fast movement of "technology" and not a problem with the original hardware. It would be the same thing as if someone argued against the sun coming up in the morning 24 hours later, saying that it really should be coming up 28 hours later, and that they don't like the "day" at 24 hours ... LOL ...

Now, I never said the iPad2 was obsolete, but I do recall saying that it is approaching its end of life. That's been obvious for a long while now. In fact, I wouldn't ever advise anyone buying one with the new iPads coming out soon. But, in spite of me saying that, I know there will always be people doing that (either buying them used from other people, or even in new condition). You just can't get around the advancement of technology.

Technology advances ... a fact ... and it advances fast and a company that doesn't keep up with that advance ... is going to be losing out to competitors. That's just the fact of the matter.

 

I believe many of us do not care for anything but good stability and performance. You repetitively suggested that the 'iPad 2 is slow so deal with it', I felt this was the wrong attitude towards fellow Apple customers and not a solution to the problem. The iPad 2 used to be the fastest, and most glorified system in the world once - the envy of everyone. Now running iOS8 it feels like a $100 tablet from Walmart. We just want that fast usable system again.

 

I don't ever recall saying that, but I have said the iPad 2 is reaching its end of life. I would advise that the best option for a user is to sell a device before it reaches its "end of life" and get a newer model. I say that just based on economics and convenience of usage, and it applies to any company that sells devices like this, not just Apple.

There's ONLY ONE WAY for a user to get the original experience of power and speed (again for any company, not just apple), and that is to buy a new device - period!

 

One concern of mine is the fact that any applied wallpaper from the photo's apps, has it's resolution decrease a noticeable amount. I have a wonderful 2048x2048 image of Elsa, from Frozen, that I want to use as my wallpaper. In iOS7 it looked okay, in iOS8 I notice it looks more blurry. Changing to an official Apple wallpaper, and it looks fine. I thought "Maybe it's due to poor image downsizing - fuzzy pixels and what not" so then found a 1024x768, applied it to find it was still noticeably low res in comparison to the rest of the UI, and the default image itself in the gallery, this is however my problem to deal with. (Well any problem of mine, is also a problem of Apple's).

 

That's something I haven't personally run into, with my iOS 8.0.2 version. I would have to run a few experiments, first.

 

The purpose of this post is to contribute to the noise : we need to make Apple realise tat there's a problem.

Actually that's not the stated purpose for this forum and is in violation of the "Terms of Use" for this forum, as specified by Apple. If you want to contribute feedback to Apple, it has set up an official place to do that ...

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

Here's the Terms of Use for this forum ...

Apple Support Communities Use Agreement

Hi All

I think I have found the cause of this, it has most likely been mentioned but I'm too lazy to read all the posts >.<

anyway way it looks like there is a problem with the motion of the background and effects, so if you turn it off the iPad mini 2 Stops being choppy and laggy.

let me know if anyone has success with this

go to Settings > General > Accessibility > Reduce Motion > Reduce Motion = On

Regards

Glad to hear that you've found a positive solution to all this! Great work!

Thanks but that's not done it either.  Tried everything suggested here still not working as well as before  and left feedback.  Off to the Apple shop at the weekend to see what they say.

From Ian's iPad

Have you restored your iPad to "factory new" condition? Be sure to back up first.

Use iTunes to restore your iOS device to factory settings

This will put it in the condition that the iPad 2s are in TODAY as sold from the Apple Online Store. And those are able to run on iOS 8.0.2, per Apple.

Yes I believe so.  Back up, restore and then reload?  Did that about a week ago.  Still had the jerky screen, the issue with copy and paste.  Just not the same smooth device as before.  I will try it again tonight before I go to store.

From Ian's iPad

Try reducing the background motion ... Settings-->General-->Accessibility-->Reduce Motion ... and then turn it on.

Done that as well.  I will try them all again later.  Thanks

From Ian's iPad

i have the same problems, I m verry dissapointed with the upgrade.. Slow performance, airplay is not working. Toch sensitivity in some cases mal functioning ( in safari the "x" wont work to delete a word..) overall verry bad!

Same problems here, after ios 8 upgrade ipad 2 is not the same, very slooooooow, battery last less than before, random crashes using safari and in some cases (using azul app) random restarts, as in black screen with the white apple. I've tried everithing discussed here except the "factory new" fix (too busy), but really like to get more feedback on this one, just to know if It really works. Turning on "reduce motion" kind of helps with the visual part of the UI lags, but ipad feels really bad any way.

What does Apple says about all this ipad2 complains?

Apple never comments directly about complaints. What Apple does -- "IF" -- there is a bug that they have identified (usually from "tickets" that users have opened on Apple Support phones or their Apple Support page) ... is that they will issue a bug-fix update.

IIt is deceiving to give iPad 2 users hope. I've tried everything, and the usability is impaired too much for practical use.

It's not deceiving iPad 2 users when we have many iPad 2 users who have posted on this forum that their iPads are running fine for them. What that does -- that is "their very existence" -- is to let other users who are having problems KNOW that it is technically feasible to have an iPad 2 running normally and fine with iOS 8.

Star Traveler wrote:

 

It's not deceiving iPad 2 users when we have many iPad 2 users who have posted on this forum that their iPads are running fine for them. What that does -- that is "their very existence" -- is to let other users who are having problems KNOW that it is technically feasible to have an iPad 2 running normally and fine with iOS 8.

""We have many".   Let's see your statistics.  I own five devices having issues, very few of which have been fixed through any means. All having varying degrees if issues to this minute. Two of which have been to apple geniuses (one has been there three times).

on top of that, I am at a convention with 15 people having problems of 18 iThing owners. All of which except one have been to Apple for help. From ipad 2 to ipad 4, and iPhone 4s, 5 and 6.  You do realize that is a huge huge percentage of people complaining, right? Most if which didn't complain until others brought it to their attention that others were having problems.

add to that my business, which supports dozens of small and medium businesses, which are having problems.   Not just a few, the majority.   We are trying everything posted here, everything the geniuses tell us to. Nothing has fixed the majority of complaints. We have helped in some cases, but others are entirely unable to assist with. Primarily copy/paste, crashing safari, crashing mail, and slow overall performance.

one of our clients was able to get a replacement device by complaining loudly. The device came with 7x on it, and he is as happy as a clam.

so, one solution might be to complain so loudly that they exchange your device with one of the refurbs, or maybe buy one, since they are apparently still coming with 7x on it, and DO NOT UPGRADE......

JohnMHoyt wrote:

 

""We have many".   Let's see your statistics.

Statistics are not possible.  This is a hospital, where you're likely to find sick people.  It's not normal for someone to go into a hospital shouting "I'm not sick, I'm not sick."