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Oct 17, 2014 11:06 AM in response to FoxJohnSixby Alfred DeRose,Your iPad 2 doesn't need fixing, iOS does. That's what was announced.
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Oct 17, 2014 12:33 PM in response to Alfred DeRoseby Star Traveler,Aactually that's NOT what was announced by Apple at the keynote regarding the new iPads. What was announced in the upcoming iOS 8.1 ... were some new features. Take a look here and you can see for yourself ...
http://www.apple.com/apple-events/2014-oct-event/
Some people are simply ASSUMING there may be some "bug fixes" in that upcoming revision. But those would be ONLY those that Apple engineers had actually identified and had worked out fixes for.
AS we've already seen here on this forum, there are many users fixing the operation of their iPads ... which has absolutely nothing to do with Apple changing or revising iOS 8.0.2. The following is an examole of one such case ...
I've already lost count on how many users this has helped, because there have been so many!
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Oct 17, 2014 1:34 PM in response to Star Travelerby Alfred DeRose,Aactually that's NOT what was announced by Apple at the keynote regarding the new iPads. What was announced in the upcoming iOS 8.1 ... were some new features. Take a look here and you can see for yourself ...
I've seen the keynote, thanks. My point - though maybe not stated clearly enough for you - was that the HARDWARE is not in need of repair.
Some people are simply ASSUMING there may be some "bug fixes" in that upcoming revision.
I'm not assuming anything. I know there are fixes included. You have only to be a developer - or read the leaked 8.1 change logs. It's all there in black and white that Apple is fixing bugs in iOS 8.1.
But those would be ONLY those that Apple engineers had actually identified and had worked out fixes for.
This part of your retort is rather odd. Who would assume Apple would be capable of fixing anything they don't know about?
AS we've already seen here on this forum, there are many users fixing the operation of their iPads ... which has absolutely nothing to do with Apple changing or revising iOS 8.0.2. The following is an examole of one such case ...
It's true the performance issues people are complaining about in this and other threads are only marginally linked to problems in iOS. The issue lies in upgrading over an older version of iOS. iDevices are affected by collected garbage just like desktop and notebook computers. It's smart to start fresh for every major iOS upgrade.
That link to your own post in another thread offers solid advice that has been offered by others as well. If those suffering from performance issues on iPad 2 follow those steps, they should see very good performance improvements. Admittedly, it's a bit of work though.
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Oct 17, 2014 1:39 PM in response to MarknMikelby Neil694,Yea mine is crashy and very slow too as well as iBook PDFs issue on my other post
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Oct 17, 2014 5:37 PM in response to Alfred DeRoseby Darkahn,Alfred,
As a user that has completely wiped the device and restored as new in as many ways as possible, I will respectfully disagree with you on the "marginal" link between iOS 8 and the slowness and other functional issues of the OS on the iPad 2. While compatible, the iPad 2 does not have the horsepower to deal with iOS 8. Due to the jerky nature of the operation, I believe that the core of the issue is the amount of RAM in the device, and the older video processor. They are simply being overloaded.
Star Traveler,
Please don't take this the wrong way, as I believe that you are trying to be helpful. Your insistence that there are ways to "Fix all of the problems" with iOS 8 by reloading the iPad 2, and turning off all features (that were available in iOS7) to reduce the amount of load on the device, borders on denial of reality. I will completely agree that by reloading the device while in recovery mode can make things ever so slightly better. That said, I have an iPad 2 that I reloaded this way on Sunday (see posts on page 7) that is STILL trying to restore from a backup (loading applications) as of today. This is NOT the sign of a healthy platform for this hardware. Please continue to be helpful, but we aren't drinking the Kool-aid.
Thanks,
-S
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Oct 17, 2014 6:08 PM in response to Darkahnby Alfred DeRose,Alfred,
As a user that has completely wiped the device and restored as new in as many ways as possible, I will respectfully disagree with you on the "marginal" link between iOS 8 and the slowness and other functional issues of the OS on the iPad 2. While compatible, the iPad 2 does not have the horsepower to deal with iOS 8. Due to the jerky nature of the operation, I believe that the core of the issue is the amount of RAM in the device, and the older video processor. They are simply being overloaded.
I agree those absolutely are factors that affect performance, but the fact that this is not a universal problem with iOS 8 running on iPad 2 shows conclusively that iOS 8 can indeed run perfectly fine on that device. I have one to prove it. Others have stated the same.
That said, I have an iPad 2 that I reloaded this way on Sunday (see posts on page 7) that is STILL trying to restore from a backup (loading applications) as of today.
This is exactly what Star Traveler is saying NOT to do. Do NOT restore from backup, but rather download all apps frosh from the App Store, add your accounts manually, etc.
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Oct 17, 2014 6:24 PM in response to Alfred DeRoseby Darkahn,Alfred,
I have indeed done the restore and set up as new. I have (see posts on page 7) also noted no significant difference in performance by doing so. Out of morbid curiosity I decided to see what the restore process would be like.
Regarding your statement of working "perfectly fine", I remember a post you put up that does not agree with your statement above. in that post you noted latency and other performance issues. That to me does not equate to "perfectly fine". It may function without crashing or major error, but that is another story. My iPad is not crashing, but it's a lesson in patience when trying to get it to do anything.
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Oct 17, 2014 6:45 PM in response to Darkahnby Alfred DeRose,In that same post I said the latency I have minor and expected. In my world, that is perfectly fine. My iPad is not a lesson in patience. And as evidenced here and in other threads, others have the same experience.
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Oct 17, 2014 7:03 PM in response to Alfred DeRoseby Star Traveler,Alfred DeRose wrote:
This is exactly what Star Traveler is saying NOT to do. Do NOT restore from backup, but rather download all apps frosh from the App Store, add your accounts manually, etc.
I haven't always made it exactly clear about this ... but it's a troubleshooting methodology, besides possibly being a "fix" hopefully. The idea is to isolate from one another ... your data and apps ... from just a clean operating system. One needs to find out if those same problems are there with a clean system or not. If they're not there, then it's good and one can go to the next step and see if putting the backup back on brings back the problem. With some people it hasn't, while with others it has.
At the point the backup causes trouble, then you know you have to start putting things back on from scratch and manually - and not restore from your backup. If there is no trouble from the backup, you're okay at that point.
Ano then if there is trouble at the point of the factory setup (without your backup) then you have to be looking at possible hardware issues. If there are no hardware issues, then you're probably talking about some bug fixes that are needed.
What this is ... is a troubleshooting methodology in which, if you get it all good at a certain point in the process, you just stop at that point and you're "back on board" at that point.
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Oct 17, 2014 7:07 PM in response to gtwscwby helopro,Same problem with the added benefit that it will reset randomly and quite frequently.
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Oct 18, 2014 9:16 AM in response to gtwscwby PolSixe,So I have the 8.02 update but haven't done the full restore, I really thought only Windows had that as a solution, wipe and clean and start over. But, my Ipad2 does seem better than after first update, only real issues are the Safari browser, either Apple hasn't kept up with latest web designers or vice versa because some sites are unusable on an IPad ( sportsillustrated.com for example), do they work better on a Android? The other fault is the sleep mode, goes black and only some random combinations of Home and poweR buttons seem to bring it back.
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Oct 18, 2014 9:41 AM in response to PolSixeby Star Traveler,PolSixe wrote:
... I really thought only Windows had that as a solution, wipe and clean and start over.
Are we really concerned with what "Windows" does ... or are we interested in something that solves the problem ... LOL ...
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Oct 18, 2014 11:07 AM in response to Darkahnby FoxJohnSix,So update to a new device ...or just deal with it?
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Oct 18, 2014 11:11 AM in response to FoxJohnSixby Star Traveler,If you're talking about an iPad 2, I would say to "deal with it" in order to get it to funtioning right ... and then ... "sell it" ... because it's getting to the "end of life". It's not there yet, but you want to sell a device before it gets to its end of life, just to preserve the sales value ...
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Oct 18, 2014 11:13 AM in response to FoxJohnSixby FoxJohnSix,I dod full restore and re-added apps. Still lags, freezes, etc.