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Q: adding memory to a late 2013 mac pro

I have the base model of the mac pro trashcan with 12 GB of memory.

 

I want to upgrade it to 32 GB using 8GB modules. Do I have to add the modules all at once or can I put in 2 modules and later on buy 2 more and put them in.

 

Everywhere I read says the modules must be the sam lot number which means I would have to buy all 4 modules at once.

 

Can I not just buy 2 modules now and two modules later as I can afford them since springing for the machine has put a serious dent in my $$$$$

Mac mini, OS X Mavericks (10.9.2)

Posted on Sep 27, 2014 7:03 PM

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  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,Helpful

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Sep 27, 2014 7:58 PM in response to louiewu
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    Sep 27, 2014 7:58 PM in response to louiewu

    There is very little hard information about mixing modules and leaving slots open. But the fact that Apple ships a configuration with three modules says you can.

     

    8GB and smaller modules can be mixed. Use of pairs is said to  produce some extremely small speedups, probably not measurable using regular software.

     

    16GB modules are Registered modules and cannot be mixed with smaller sizes.

     

    These folks will sell you modules by the each if you desire that:

     

    http://www.datamemorysystems.com/apple-mac-pro-quad-core-intel-xeon-e5-3-7ghz-me 253ll/a-late-2013-memory-upgrades/

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    kaz-k kaz-k Sep 27, 2014 9:20 PM in response to louiewu
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    Sep 27, 2014 9:20 PM in response to louiewu
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    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Sep 28, 2014 7:56 AM in response to kaz-k
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    Sep 28, 2014 7:56 AM in response to kaz-k

    There is nothing specific in that document or the linked memory specification that precludes the mixing of sizes or leaving slots open. There is only one line that touches on those issues at all:

    • Use the same size memory modules across all slots to maximize performance.
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    Lanny Lanny Sep 28, 2014 11:14 AM in response to louiewu
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    Sep 28, 2014 11:14 AM in response to louiewu
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    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Sep 28, 2014 1:29 PM in response to Lanny
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    Sep 28, 2014 1:29 PM in response to Lanny

    OWC HAS done some experiments using test with different sizes of modules, and they are described in this blog:

     

    http://blog.macsales.com/22745-mix-and-match-more-memory-faster-mac-pro-2


    Their main conclusion was that the differences between optimum and non-optimum resulted in real-world speed differences of about 3.5 percent.

     

    On the previous generation (big Silver Tower) Mac Pro, results under 5 percent were considered completely negligible, and speed differences under about 15 percent could be justified by different factors (such as the enormous initial cost of the optimum modules).


    OWC has a buy-back program for your used DIMMs. It makes their slightly higher prices for new DIMMs about even with Vendors that do not offer a buy back. As always, deal with a Mac-Centric vendor who states:

     

    "It works in your Mac,

    or your money Back."

  • by louiewu,

    louiewu louiewu Sep 28, 2014 9:00 PM in response to Lanny
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    Sep 28, 2014 9:00 PM in response to Lanny

    I Know about the memory suppliers, but what i want to know is can i buy two 8 gb modules now and put them in and later on down the road buy the other two moudles and put them in. I would also like to know if i can do this with 16 gb modules as long as all of the modules sizes and types ( ie registered or un registered ) matched. Do the LOT NUMBERS actually have to match also?

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    Lanny Lanny Sep 28, 2014 10:48 PM in response to louiewu
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    Sep 28, 2014 10:48 PM in response to louiewu
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    louiewu louiewu Sep 28, 2014 11:14 PM in response to Lanny
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    Sep 28, 2014 11:14 PM in response to Lanny

    I Read that too...  They dance all around the question but they still don't say if the modules have to be added all at once..  Apple is really good at being vague on their answers. They would make great political people because they are so good at saying a lot of words without being specific.

     

    thanks for the reply

  • by Lanny,

    Lanny Lanny Sep 28, 2014 11:19 PM in response to louiewu
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    Sep 28, 2014 11:19 PM in response to louiewu
    They dance all around the question but they still don't say if the modules have to be added all at once.

    Why would you assume otherwise? I know of no previous Macs that wouldn't work with only 1 or  2 slots used. The configuration that you currently have uses 3 slots.

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Sep 29, 2014 9:07 AM in response to louiewu
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    Sep 29, 2014 9:07 AM in response to louiewu

    In my opinion, the folks who write Apple technical documents are mathematical thinkers, and they write with mathematical precision. I find that if something is precluded, it WILL be mentioned. Issues you might encounter are not deliberately 'swept under the rug'.

     

    The fact that Apple ships a configuration with one open slot and No specific language telling you you can't leave slots open says it will work. (But they do say it may not operate at top speed, which in the case of a 3.5 percent speed penalty is a non-issue for most users.)

     

    Install two 8GB DIMMs (alone at first to be sure they are working) and then you can try adding two existing 4GB in the higher-numbered slots.

     

    For two 16GB or 32GB DIMMs, they are Registered, and do not mix with "ordinary" unregistered DIMMs of smaller size.